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Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?
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Stephen J. Turnbull |
Subject: |
Re: Why not zlib-compress-region? |
Date: |
Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:58:46 +0900 |
Eli Zaretskii writes:
> Again, building GCC is not something an end user would easily consider
> when all she needs is to be able to use some plugin.
For MacPorts and all end-user-oriented GNU/Linux distros I know of
there are binary packages for the C toolchain at least. I know such
used to be available for AIX, HP/UX, SunOS and Solaris (which is now
OpenSolaris).
I wonder how many systems that don't distribute a C compiler in the
base distribution distribute Emacs (which last I looked was not in the
same space as Adobe Acrobat, much less *Office)? I suspect on most
such systems to use Emacs, you have to build it yourself.
> > I have a bunch of them (three versions of GTK, two of libpng for
> > example). I don't notice it at all
>
> I have more than "a bunch" of them, too. This is not about you or me,
> you know.
No, it's not. My point is that to the extent I have those, I *don't*
deal with them, I let the PMS do it.
True, I'm not a typical end-user, but people on systems with a PMS are
surely as used to using the PMS to install "stuff" as Windows users
are used to downloading MSIs.
> > Nonsense. I do it about once a month, sometimes twice a week
> > (automatically via Gentoo's Portage PMS, which always builds from
> > source).
>
> Again, this is not about you or me.
Again, from my point of view it's all hidden by the PMS.
It's just more *stuff* to install, and since in XEmacs's system it's
all done by a specialized compiler driver (distributed and built with
XEmacs) which knows about XEmacs's configuration, Emacs could use the
same technology and it's probably as easy as installing the C
toolchain with the PMS, firing up Emacs and running
(defun ffi-install-package (package)
(interactive "sWhat package would you like to install? ")
(ffi-install-download-source package)
(ffi-install-check-dependencies package)
(shell-command (format "cd %s; ./configure %s; make; make install"
package
(ffi-install-configure-options package))))
where `ffi-install-download-source', `ffi-install-check-dependencies',
and `ffi-install-configure-options' consult a database distributed
with Emacs and/or online at ELPA. (XEmacs doesn't actually do this
because all loadable modules currently available for XEmacs are
distributed with XEmacs. So if you configure --with-modules they get
built as part of the default make target, and installed as part of the
"install" target.)
Sure, a few people will be left out, but AFAICT it should be possible
for Emacs to build a binary distribution for Windows users, and
pretty much everybody else is able to fend for themselves.
I'm not arguing that this is *better* than something like a libffi
binding in LISP, just that it's clearly feasible, and unlikely to
leave even a large minority of users without support.
Steve
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, (continued)
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Aurélien Aptel, 2014/06/27
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Stefan Monnier, 2014/06/27
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Dmitry Antipov, 2014/06/27
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Stefan Monnier, 2014/06/27
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?,
Stephen J. Turnbull <=
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Stefan Monnier, 2014/06/29
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Paul Eggert, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Richard Stallman, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Ted Zlatanov, 2014/06/27