Re: Backtrace printing in batch mode ignores all customizations

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Stefan Monnier <address@hidden>
> Cc: address@hidden,  address@hidden
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:30:24 -0500
> 
> > Btw, I'd be much happier if the condition didn't rely on low-level
> > implementation details such as the actual name of the initial
> > terminal, nor on when exactly during startup that terminal gets
> > deleted.  I think it would be much cleaner to set a variable at the
> > right place in startup.el (AFAIU, after we call frame-initialize), and
> > test it in debug.el.  I realize that this condition was copied from
> > the code we already had in debug.el, but maybe on master we should use
> > a cleaner solution.
> 
> Setting a var wouldn't be right.

Why not?

> The test:
> 
>     (and (eq t (framep (selected-frame)))
>          (equal "initial_terminal" (terminal-name)))
> 
> is fundamentally *right*

I didn't say it was wrong, I said it wasn't clean enough, IMO.  We
know exactly where in the startup process the interactive frame
becomes available: after the call to frame-initialize.  Why wouldn't
it be right to set a flag there which debug.el could test, instead of
testing the above?

> Maybe we can improve the code by introducing a function
> 
>     (defun terminal-dummy-p ()
>       "Return non-nil if the current terminal is the special initial terminal.
>     The \"initial\" terminal is the dummy-terminal used when we don't have
>     a real terminal to use, such as is the case in batch mode, or while
>     running early-init.el, or while starting the emacs-server."
>       (and (eq t (framep (selected-frame)))
>            (equal "initial_terminal" (terminal-name)))
> 
> and then use it there (and maybe we could then cleanup that function
> so it doesn't need to rely on a special terminal name).

Even with such a function, my question above still stands.

But anyway, there's no need to wait with installing this on emacs-27
until we end discussing how to make the test cleaner.  The cleanup
should go to master in any case.