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Re: "Why is emacs so square?"
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Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
Re: "Why is emacs so square?" |
Date: |
Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:19:19 +0300 |
> Cc: address@hidden, address@hidden
> From: Dmitry Gutov <address@hidden>
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:06:08 +0300
>
> On 22.04.2020 19:55, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > And the icons look the same, no matter what distribution are we
> > talking about? Doesn't something depend also on the desktop that's in
> > use, and perhaps also on the window manager?
>
> No, the icons looks different across themes. Hence the whole notion of
> "icon themes". But the set of icon names is fairly stable. This is what
> we'd be relying on.
But a given theme is not available universally, not even with the same
toolkit, I guess?
> > I'm not sure I like this direction. It sounds like the opposite of
> > having an Emacs that looks more or less the same on all major
> > platforms.
>
> Right. It's already not the case.
Which is already bad, IMO. But before we make this a rule rather than
an exception or a historical accident, we should think hard whether we
really want that. Emacs is special in several ways, and one of them
is its commonality -- you have only ever learn Emacs once, on one
platform. It's why I can give advice on Reddit to people that use
platforms I never did.
So this will be a significant change in direction, at least in my
eyes, and the decision should not be made casually, let alone by
default.
> > E.g., you buy the Emacs manual printed a year
> > or 2 ago, but the icons it shows are all different from what's on
> > display. I don't even understand how will we be able to show the
> > icons in our Info manual, if the images don't come with Emacs and are
> > different on each platform/build.
>
> The window looks are different between platforms anyway.
No, not really. They are extremely similar, actually, modulo a few
unimportant bells and whistles. At least the parts that are relevant
to Emacs are almost identical.
> On GTK, we're already there. Since 22.2, apparently. Only we haven't
> been paying attention to keeping this feature in proper maintenance.
I'm asking people to think whether we _want_ that. That we are one
leg there doesn't yet mean we decided to do that consciously. You are
suggesting to make that a policy, and that's a serious decision, IMO.
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