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Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?
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Ihor Radchenko |
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Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? |
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Tue, 02 Jun 2020 13:15:18 +0800 |
> Having separate Emacs processes that communicate with each other is best, I
> think.
As a bonus, it might be used as a basis for true concurrency.
Best,
Ihor
Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com> writes:
> On 31 May 2020, Richard Stallman wrote:
>>It would be good to do that in a truly usable way.
>>
>>Emacs has had the feature of running multiple terminals at once for
>>over 20 years, but there are bad problems in it. To do it right, to
>>has to have a thread for each terminal, and they have to be able to
>>get in and out of the minibuffer separately.
>>
>>The other way to do this is to have separate Emacs processes that
>>communicate with each other. We would need to use modification hooks
>>to take note of changes and transmit them to the other Emacses.
>>
>>Or perhaps one Emacs could be the "server", and the others act as clients,
>>maintaining mirrors of the document.
>
> Having separate Emacs processes that communicate with each other is best, I
> think.
>
> As Yuri Khan pointed out, experienced users have customized their Emacsen in
> distinctive ways, such that having to edit inside someone else's Emacs setup
> would be annoying.
>
> Furthermore, there are privacy concerns with sharing an Emacs process. I
> might want to collaborate with people on one buffer while having private
> things in other buffers. It would be harder to reliably lock out access to
> those other buffers if the collaboration were happening in the same Emacs
> process.
>
> Meanwhile, this concern...
>
>>However, it then follows that each instance is going to have its own
>>supporting tools. So, a power user who has an elaborate setup with LSP,
>>flycheck, whatever, will not be able to share the advantages of his
>>setup with a newbie.
>
> ...is not a big deal IMHO. The primary goal of collaborative editing is the
> editing. Anyway, if the expert can see the newbie editing in real time, the
> expert can suggest usage or configuration improvements, which the newbie can
> install or learn to do in her own Emacs. That's how teaching normally
> happens anyway. It's not important for the newbie to have access to the
> expert's personal customizations, because it's rare that the most useful
> lesson for a newbie involves duplicating some expert's idiosyncratic personal
> configuraton rather than learning some built-in thing already available in
> Emacs. I mean, the newbie might be urged to set a few variables in her
> .emacs, or turn on some auto-mode associations or something, but that's
> normal customization (and the expert can share *her* .emacs via the same
> collaborative editing method, if she wants to do so).
>
> I wish I had time to work on any of the leads at
> https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CollaborativeEditing. That page lists a
> number of protocols and third-party free software libraries that could be
> used to make Emacs do inter-process collaborative editing. The client side
> of Floobits plugin listed there is free software and seems promising (it is
> apparently working -- I have no direct experience of this, as I haven't used
> it because the server-side is proprietary. I emailed them in early May to
> ask how much it would cost to get them to liberate the server side, and never
> received a response). 'git clone
> https://github.com/Floobits/floobits-emacs.git' will get you the client-side
> code, anyway.
>
> Best regards,
> -Karl
>
- Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?, (continued)
- Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?, Thibaut Verron, 2020/06/06
- Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?, Eli Zaretskii, 2020/06/06
- Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?, tomas, 2020/06/06
- collaborative editing, Richard Stallman, 2020/06/06
- Re: collaborative editing, tomas, 2020/06/07
- Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?, Jean-Christophe Helary, 2020/06/06
Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?, Karl Fogel, 2020/06/01