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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US
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Roman Zippel |
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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US |
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Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:45:24 +0200 (CEST) |
Hi,
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Pierce T.Wetter III wrote:
> >> If we wanted Iraqi oil, it would have been enormously cheaper and
> >> quicker to abet the corrupt UN oil-for-food program or just drop the
> >> sanctions entirely.
> >
> > It was quite well known that the iraqi people suffered from it and I
> > can't
> > really remember that the US had any interest in doing something about
> > this.
>
> We did, there were several discussions about it, and led in part to
> our frustration with the UN. Whether or not Osama had links to Saddam,
> he was definitely using the sanctions as a recruiting drive. One of the
> driving forces behind the oil-for-food program was Madeline Albright, in
> part to help relieve the humanitarian problems brought on by the
> sanctions.
So why had the US no interest in lifting these sanctions? That the
oil-for-food program was abused is one point, but the suffering of the
iraqui people is another. Your only reflex to the sanctions is that there
was a abuse of the only thing that actually helped the people. What good
did the sanctions? That maybe Saddams power was stabilized? What were the
plans after sanctions (they had to be lifted at some point)? Had the US
any interest that Iraq strengthened its economic ties to Europe? Why was
the US so interested to invade Iraq again? Liberating the people in iraq
was certainly not a primary reason, that doesn't explain the sudden rush
after doing nothing for 11 years. Why did the US go in without the support
of the UN to share the burden, such a war costs a lot of money, which has
to come from somewhere.
Sorry Pierce, as long as you stay at the level of some rather boring
political games between the US and Europe, this will get nowhere. Throwing
Osama into this makes it only more ridiculous.
> Fair enough that its shallow, but so are _your_ arguments. Its the
> nature of the medium, that email discussions are a bit shallow. I never
> said the prison torture cases are just a few individuals, I just
> pointed out that they came to light not because some crusading reporter
> uncovered them, but because the Army was prosecuting them.
Wrong, the Army wasn't prosecuting anything, it was investigating after
complaints of soldiers. Only the pictures brought the whole thing into
movement and forced the Army to actually do something about this.
bye, Roman
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- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Pierce T . Wetter III, 2004/07/21
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Samium Gromoff, 2004/07/24
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Roman Zippel, 2004/07/19
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Michael Poole, 2004/07/19
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Roman Zippel, 2004/07/19
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, mdpoole, 2004/07/19
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Roman Zippel, 2004/07/19
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Michael Poole, 2004/07/19
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Roman Zippel, 2004/07/19
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Pierce T . Wetter III, 2004/07/19
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US,
Roman Zippel <=
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- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Pierce T . Wetter III, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Roman Zippel, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Pierce T . Wetter III, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, nadim, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Pierce T . Wetter III, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, nadim, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Frank T. Pohlmann, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2004/07/22