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Re: [gnuspeech-contact] PrEditor port


From: Eric Zoerner
Subject: Re: [gnuspeech-contact] PrEditor port
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 19:39:13 +0100

Well I was thinking two forms of phonetic script that would be language-neutral would be IPA and X-SAMPA, not the Trillium script. X- SAMPA serves the same purpose as the Trillium script except that it is a direct mapping of IPA and is a standard.

No, there is no Webster's for Irish, but there is a phonemic transcription that Celticists have used in the past that is a simplified IPA of sorts, but it is only used by Celticists and doesn't really conform to IPA guidelines. Furthermore, because the posture symbols will likely need to be somewhat narrower than phonemes proper, it makes more sense to me to use IPA symbols, and X- SAMPA if users prefer something that can be more easily typed on a standard keyboard (and edited with emacs, etc.).

I don't like the idea of an extended version of a Trillium script for Irish because the symbols used are too English-centric (for example "uh" for schwa, "ar" for script-a, etc.)

I was thinking I would just leave the Trillium and Webster scripts there for English, but I'd be happy to take the Webster script out if you think it's not useful.

A convenient reference for X-SAMPA is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ X-SAMPA.

I did notice that there is a ForbesPrEditor compressed archive in CVS, but I didn't know what it was or whether it is worth uncompressing. Can anyone tell me how it is different/better than the original PrEditor?

By the way, my progress with a port like this is likely to be very slow at first since I'm still getting up to speed with Cocoa.

I believe I do have a gnu id already. I can login to the savannah.gnu.org site as "ezoerner".

Eric



On 9 May 2006, at 18:52, David Hill wrote:

Hi Eric,

Many thanks for your continuing interest.

On May 9, 2006, at 4:09 AM, Eric Zoerner wrote:

I am considering getting my feet wet in gnuspeech development by working on a port of PrEditor to Mac OS X, and perhaps adding support for multiple phoneme/posture sets for different languages. Also to make gnuspeech more language neutral, I would like to add support for X-SAMPA in addition to keeping the IPA support. Going forward I think the Webster and Trillium notations will only be relevant for English.

These days it has become so easy to use IPA, I suspect, that IPA only could even be the route to go. I find Webster's is quite awkward, sometimes misleading, and relatively unnecessary. Is there a Webster's dictionary of Irish ;-) The big advantage of the Trillium script is that it can be generated using a standard keyboard with no special software, and edited using emacs. That's the reason it was developed and used. If you have two forms of phonetic script for Irish, I'd rather see IPA and an extended Trillium script than IPA and Websters


Am I right to assume that no one else is currently working on PrEditor?

You are right, no-one is working on PrEditor (at least officially as part of the GNUSpeech project -- who knows what might be happening in the backwoods of Thailand or the deserts of China ;-). PrEditor is a nice project to work on. Michael Forbes did a rewrite of PrEditor during the latter stages of Trillium and it was originally written by David Marwood (who was in Vancouver last time we were in contact, but I've lost touch wit him) and Vince DeMarco (who is now with Apple, AFAIK). Michael is on the members list for the gnuspeech project, so you could contact him if you want. He was in the last stages of a Physics PhD last I heard from him. I would have guessed he's finished by now, but his email address should still work. Vince contributes to the main Apple Cocoa developer list (address@hidden) from time to time. I should have made a note of his address when I saw it, but it is a standard Apple email address (<whatever>@apple.com), or you could post to the list and see if he notices. None of them has been involved in GNUSpeech any time recently.

You will probably want me to add you to the members list at some point, in which case you have to get a GNU user ID and let me know what it is so I can add you. You'll notice that the release date on the current (NeXT) version of PrEditor is August 18 1995 which is, I think, the latest release date of any component of the original system, except, perhaps, the dictionary.

All good wishes.

david






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