Re: Consecutive trills

[Hans Åberg]

This is interesting. When transcribing Balkan music, I found that the musicians 
often end the trill in a timed manner, like suggested by this notation. Of 
course, ornaments are up to the musician to decide, but it helps a consistent 
result.


> On 29 Apr 2022, at 22:02, Kira Garvie <kgarvie@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It is true that Bach used the signs interchangeably, but if a trill 
> terminates before the note itself terminates in his music, it indicates to 
> stop trilling at that point and continue holding the note. At least that’s 
> how we interpret his organ music notations! 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 3:54 PM Mark Stephen Mrotek <carsonmark@ca.rr.com> 
> wrote:
> Hans, 
> 
> Without getting into detail, Arnold Dolmetsch contends that
> "They (the various indications of a trillo) have no particular shade of 
> meaning, being only the consequence of his (Bach's) lack of system."
> The Interpretation of the Music of the 17th and 18th Centuries, p. 169.
> 
> Mark
> 
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> Subject: Re: Consecutive trills
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> 
> > On 29 Apr 2022, at 19:06, Kieren MacMillan <kieren@kierenmacmillan.info> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >>> As far as I know that's not a notation rule, but I agree that it makes 
> >>> more sense to use the trill + wavy line for tied notes.
> >> I haven't seen "tr" plus chevron on a single untied note
> > 
> > When it’s a chain of trills — some tied, others single — I find the 
> > consistency [of using the wavy line on *all* trills, and not just the tied 
> > notes] is appreciated by conductors and performers.
> 
> In BWV 1067, first movement, there is for the flute a long note with several 
> ties with a trill span ending somewhere in the middle, indicating the length 
> of the trill followed by untrilled part. I do not know if Bach himself write 
> it that way, but I found it useful in Balkan music, where it is common to not 
> have an alteration on the last 16th of say a trilled dotted 8th note. I 
> decided to write that with an 8th having a "tr" tied to a following 16th, 
> otherwise those not accustomed with the style would not know how to play it 
> (and I find it is hard to remember). Trilled notes can be syncopated in 
> Balkan music, and then it may be necessary to use a trill span. Hindemith, 
> "Elementary Training", says that on short notes, a trill can have only one 
> alteration. This occurs in Balkan music, but I decided to write a prall sign 
> as it is more compact.
> 
> 
> 
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