Re: phrase marks ending on tied notes: first vs last?

[Brian Barker]

At 17:30 04/05/2022 -0600, Jeff Olson wrote:
> ... I'm adding phrase marks ...
> ... I caught myself sometimes ending the phrase on the first note of 
> a tied pair, and at other times going all the way to the last note 
> of the tie. [...]
> What would Elaine Gould do?

I can answer that bit.

"When a final pitch is extended by a series of tied notes, it is 
acceptable (and a convention) to end the slur with the first 
whole-bar duration; alternatively, in cramped conditions, with the 
first tied note. When an initial note is tied, the slur may begin 
with the final written tied note if absolutely necessary, to save 
space; however, it is much better to clarify phrase length by 
starting the slur with the first note." (Behind Bars, p 113)

Incidental examples elsewhere in the book follow the same principle: 
that of having the slur encompass all the notes in the phrase.

So she would accept both examples in your first staff, as well as the 
first example in your second staff - but the second example your 
second staff only "in cramped conditions".

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker