Re: What is the meaning of a mordent on top of a sharp sign?

[Valentin Petzel]

Hello Ken,

look here for a demonstration how easily you can get problems using the 
approach in the documentation simply be doing things like avoid-slur inside or 
by adding another text (although that one could be solved by fine-tuning the 
script-priority). On the other hand the method that directly annotated the 
stencil has absolutely no such issues.

Cheers,
Valentin

Am Dienstag, 28. Juni 2022, 18:28:16 CEST schrieb Kenneth Wolcott:
> Hello Valentin;
> 
>   Thank you for your code which modifies the stencil.
> 
>   I'll save this in my snippet folder and experiment using it shortly.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ken
> 
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 9:13 AM Valentin Petzel <valentin@petzel.at> wrote:
> > Hello Ken, hello William,
> > 
> > instead of doing the thing in the documentation, which is quite unstable,
> > I’d suggest to directly modify the stencil as in the appended file.
> > 
> > Actually I’m planning to implement this properly at some point (i.e.
> > transposable), but I haven’t found the time yet.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Valentin
> > 
> > Am Dienstag, 28. Juni 2022, 06:39:48 CEST schrieb Kenneth Wolcott:
> > > Hi William;
> > > 
> > >   Looks like I need to read more slowly :-)  I see now that my
> > > 
> > > question was indeed precisely covered in the documentation.
> > > 
> > > Thank *you*. :-)
> > > Ken
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 9:29 PM William Rehwinkel
> > > 
> > > <william@williamrehwinkel.net> wrote:
> > > > No problem Ken. Sorry about that, I made the following example: (note
> > > > that this would not play in midi playback)
> > > > 
> > > > \version "2.22.2"
> > > > 
> > > > shMordentUp = \markup { \center-column {\musicglyph "scripts.mordent"
> > > > \musicglyph "accidentals.sharp" }}
> > > > shMordentDo = \markup { \center-column {\musicglyph
> > > > "accidentals.sharp"
> > > > \musicglyph "scripts.mordent" }}
> > > > 
> > > > \score {
> > > > 
> > > >      \relative c'' {
> > > >      
> > > >          c4^\shMordentUp
> > > >          c4_\shMordentDo
> > > >      
> > > >      }
> > > > 
> > > > }
> > > > 
> > > > Also note this example from
> > > > https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.22/Documentation/notation/expressive-marks
> > > > -att
> > > > ached-to-notes
> > > > 
> > > > \relative c''' {
> > > > 
> > > >    \once \override TextScript.script-priority = #-100
> > > >    a2^\prall^\markup { \sharp }
> > > >    
> > > >    \once \override Script.script-priority = #-100
> > > >    a2^\prall^\markup { \sharp }
> > > > 
> > > > }
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > 
> > > > -William
> > > > 
> > > > On 6/28/22 00:23, Kenneth Wolcott wrote:
> > > > > Hi William;
> > > > > 
> > > > >    Thank you, now I have a meaning.
> > > > >    
> > > > >    What remains (that I did not specify) is how to engrave this?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Ken
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 8:51 PM William Rehwinkel
> > > > > 
> > > > > <william@williamrehwinkel.net> wrote:
> > > > >> That symbol means that the lower note is sharped. So it would be
> > > > >> g-f#-g
> > > > >> instead of g-fnatural-g. See
> > > > >> https://music.stackexchange.com/questions/86043/would-an-accidental
> > > > >> -in-> > >> a-mordant-still-be-effective-for-the-whole-measure> >>> > 
> >> 
> > > > >> On 6/27/22 23:13, Kenneth Wolcott wrote:
> > > > >>> Hi;
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>>     I'm trying to engrave a Piano arrangement of JS Bach, Six
> > > > >>>     Little
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> Preludes, Nr 1, where the left hand notes have a strange thing
> > > > >>> I've
> > > > >>> never seen before, a mordent on top of a sharp sign.
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>>     I've never seen these symbols together in this manner.
> > > > >>>     
> > > > >>>     I have a screenshot attached.
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> Thanks,
> > > > >>> Ken Wolcott
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> William Rehwinkel
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> william@williamrehwinkel.net
> > > > >> https://williamrehwinkel.net
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > William Rehwinkel
> > > > 
> > > > william@williamrehwinkel.net
> > > > https://williamrehwinkel.net

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