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bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language
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Csepp |
Subject: |
bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language |
Date: |
Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:14:11 +0200 |
bokr@bokr.com writes:
> On +2022-08-09 15:46:17 +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
>> Hola,
>>
>> "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de> skribis:
>>
>> > * the main Spanish translation po/guix/es.po uses usuario
>> >
>> > * the French translation switches between “utilisateur·rices”,
>> > “utilisatrices et utilisateurs” and more often masculine “utilisateurs”
>> >
>> > * the Portuguese, Russian, German translation use masculine (although at
>> > least for German I use feminine in some examples)
>> >
>> > * German word for users is masculine Benutzer and feminine is
>> > Benutzerinnen; there is a psychology study that Benutzer*innen is
>> > perceived feminine while listing both masculine and feminine Benutzer
>> > und Benutzerinnen is perceived as including men and women (a different
>> > language and I might give too much weight to one scientific study)
>> >
>> > <https://www.hw.uni-wuerzburg.de/aktuelles/news/single/news/gendersternchen-lassen-an-frauen-denken/>
>>
>> Just like for French, my suggestion would be to use a mixture of several
>> techniques to achieve gender neutrality, probably in this order:
>>
>> • Using gender-neutral words—e.g., “personas” or “quién” rather than
>> “usuarios”.
>>
>> • Talking to the user: “puedes hacer …” rather than “usuarios pueden
>> hacer …”.
>>
>> • Using the -e suffix, which has the advantage of being concise and
>> readable, but potentially off-putting (at least today).
>>
>> • Using repetitions, “usuarias y usuarios”.
>>
>> Latin languages (among others) are problematic but techniques like these
>> can get us a long way, and by mixing them we can avoid making the text
>> hard to read.
>>
>> Ludo’.
>>
> Hi,
>
> tl;dr:
>
> IMO this whole language neutering project, whose goal UIAM is
> purportedly to exclude exclusion, is self-contradictory.
> ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
ps.: edited by the bottom reply inquisition :)
- bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language, (continued)
- bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz), 2022/08/08
- bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language, Ludovic Courtès, 2022/08/09
- bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz), 2022/08/09
- bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language, Csepp, 2022/08/09
- bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz), 2022/08/09
- bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice, 2022/08/10
- bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz), 2022/08/11
- bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz), 2022/08/10
- bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz), 2022/08/12
- bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language, bokr, 2022/08/09
- bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language,
Csepp <=
bug#57046: (No Subject), Jean Pierre De Jesus DIAZ, 2022/08/08
bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language, Jean Pierre De Jesus DIAZ, 2022/08/11