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Re: Screensaver support for the Hurd console

From: Alfred M. Szmidt
Subject: Re: Screensaver support for the Hurd console
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:27:50 +0100

   >    Sure, if you start with the idea that guile should be at the
   >    core of the console, then this would be how to do it.  But it
   >    isn't, and probably never will be.
   > And you have not provided any reasons why it shouldn't.

   I am not the one who has to prove anything here, really.

Considering that I have set forth arguments to why it is a good idea
(including examples where it would be useful for the user), and you
just rejected them flat out without providing any reasons, it is
indeed you who has something to prove here not me.

   Heck, even emacs doesn't use guile.  Nor does bash, gcc or gdb, all
   important parts of the GNU system, as many others.

Emacs, gcc, bash, gdb where written before guile existed, the same
applies to autoconf, automake, and a whole slew of other stuff, but
you already knew that and on purpose ignored this fact.

   The console is a strange beast.  It can be used as a user program,
   but its normal use will be as a system service, a daemon, and thus
   it should not be possible to be extensively modified by the user.

Bash can be considered a daemon, and thus by your logic a system
service.  Since it is a system service, it shouldn't be possible to
modify it extensivley by the user according you. (I don't see a huge
difference between the console-client and bash, or any other shell)

   Overriding priorities are stability and security, secundary
   priotity is efficiency.  All of those are many times more important
   than everything I have heard from you so far.

Then I guess you are not interested in doing new, fun things, only in
doing good old proven concepts.  Infact, you have no reason to
consider a console that uses guile to be less secure or less stable
then one that doesn't.  So all these "security and stability"
concernes are baseless unless you can show examples where they would
provide some kind of security or stability issues.

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