Re: Known MacOS programmer about WO/EOF

[Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf]

ml@orange-concept.com wrote on 29.03.2005 16:53:02:

> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:00:25 -0300 Pablo Di Noto 
> <pdinoto@conectividad.com.ar> wrote:
> >| Slashdot published today an link to an interview to Jonathan 'The 
Wolf'
> >| Rentzsch, a well-know MacOS programmer in a MacOS weblog:
> >| http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/000513.html
> >| 
> >| Beware, it _is_ long. It addresses subjects like WebObjects, how it 
is
> >| still superior to new technologies, its move from Objective-C to 
Java,
> >| and EOF.
> [...]
> >| I would love to hear your opinion on this. It hurts me the fact that
> >| GNUstep. GSweb or GDL2 are not mentioned at all, even when 
complaining 
> >| for the lack of open source filling the void.
> >| 
> >| Do you think we have no place on that discussion, or we are just 
still
> >| completely unknown to the MacOS world?
> 
> >From time to time someone talked about GNUstepWeb on WO mailing 
> lists but it seems very very few people were/are interested in it 
> (GNUstep doesn't seems to attract many MacOS people neither, AFAIK).
> Some messages on lists:
> 
http://www.wodeveloper.com/omniLists/webobjects-dev/2001/June/msg00513.html
> 
http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/webobjects-dev/2002-May/023888.html
> 
http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/webobjects-dev/2002-May/024026.html
> 
http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/webobjects-talk/2002-May/002175.html
> 
http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/webobjects-talk/2002-May/002177.html
> 
http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/webobjects-talk/2002-June/002346.html
> 
> Even Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch seems to have heard about gsweb:
> http://www.cocoabuilder.com/archive/message/cocoa/2004/5/29/108407
> 
> May be we didn't advertised enough GNUstep/GNUstepWeb/..., may be WO
> is used mostly used by important companies wich prefer proprietary 
> softwares or Java things, may be there less open source Mac 
> developpers, may be many Mac developpers don't consider projects 
> without GUI, may be they prefer to stay in Apple World...

I talked to some Cocoa/WO devs at the last Wocoa Pow Wow ( 
http://www.wocoa.org/ ) and I realized that GS/GSWeb is not unknown but 
considered incomplete, some say bugridden and to others it appeared slow 
paced / suffering lack of direction and/or discipline. The mostly coined 
example here was that although GNUstep GUI is still missing some important 
classes/methods it already has 3+ backends, some of them even for 
graphical libraries which are beta at best itself. To outsiders the whole 
project appears to be more a hobbyist thing (which goes nowhere) than a 
real professional approach on which one can build a business solution and 
the like since only those things which people like to do get done. 
Most of those devs are developing for their living and while being willing 
to fix a small bug here and there most of them don't want to put "manmonth 
of work" into this project.

> 
> Manuel
>