Re: Known MacOS programmer about WO/EOF

[Tabitha McNerney]

I wonder what it would take to turn around GNUstep's perception? To
take it from hobbyist perception to enterprise perception?

T.M.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:27:50 +0200, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
<Lars.Sonchocky-Helldorf@interone.de> wrote:
> ml@orange-concept.com wrote on 29.03.2005 16:53:02:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:00:25 -0300 Pablo Di Noto
> > <pdinoto@conectividad.com.ar> wrote:
> > >| Slashdot published today an link to an interview to Jonathan 'The
> Wolf'
> > >| Rentzsch, a well-know MacOS programmer in a MacOS weblog:
> > >| http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/000513.html
> > >|
> > >| Beware, it _is_ long. It addresses subjects like WebObjects, how it
> is
> > >| still superior to new technologies, its move from Objective-C to
> Java,
> > >| and EOF.
> > [...]
> > >| I would love to hear your opinion on this. It hurts me the fact that
> > >| GNUstep. GSweb or GDL2 are not mentioned at all, even when
> complaining
> > >| for the lack of open source filling the void.
> > >|
> > >| Do you think we have no place on that discussion, or we are just
> still
> > >| completely unknown to the MacOS world?
> >
> > >From time to time someone talked about GNUstepWeb on WO mailing
> > lists but it seems very very few people were/are interested in it
> > (GNUstep doesn't seems to attract many MacOS people neither, AFAIK).
> > Some messages on lists:
> >
> http://www.wodeveloper.com/omniLists/webobjects-dev/2001/June/msg00513.html
> >
> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/webobjects-dev/2002-May/023888.html
> >
> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/webobjects-dev/2002-May/024026.html
> >
> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/webobjects-talk/2002-May/002175.html
> >
> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/webobjects-talk/2002-May/002177.html
> >
> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/webobjects-talk/2002-June/002346.html
> >
> > Even Jonathan 'Wolf' Rentzsch seems to have heard about gsweb:
> > http://www.cocoabuilder.com/archive/message/cocoa/2004/5/29/108407
> >
> > May be we didn't advertised enough GNUstep/GNUstepWeb/..., may be WO
> > is used mostly used by important companies wich prefer proprietary
> > softwares or Java things, may be there less open source Mac
> > developpers, may be many Mac developpers don't consider projects
> > without GUI, may be they prefer to stay in Apple World...
> 
> I talked to some Cocoa/WO devs at the last Wocoa Pow Wow (
> http://www.wocoa.org/ ) and I realized that GS/GSWeb is not unknown but
> considered incomplete, some say bugridden and to others it appeared slow
> paced / suffering lack of direction and/or discipline. The mostly coined
> example here was that although GNUstep GUI is still missing some important
> classes/methods it already has 3+ backends, some of them even for
> graphical libraries which are beta at best itself. To outsiders the whole
> project appears to be more a hobbyist thing (which goes nowhere) than a
> real professional approach on which one can build a business solution and
> the like since only those things which people like to do get done.
> Most of those devs are developing for their living and while being willing
> to fix a small bug here and there most of them don't want to put "manmonth
> of work" into this project.
> 
> >
> > Manuel
> >
> 
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