Re: GNUstep and session management

[Enrico Sersale]

On 2005-10-08 09:42:15 +0300 Sašo Kiselkov <diablos@manga.sk> wrote:

> Quoting Adrian Robert <arobert@cogsci.ucsd.edu>:
> 
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Sa&#65533;o Kiselkov wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let's just stop putting up theories about how it may or may not
>>> work on OSX and
>>> instead start designing a way that would work for us.
>> 
>> I think we should try to follow OS X behavior to make things easier
>> for people porting or maintaining cross-platform apps unless there's
>> something broken in the way OS X does it.  Questions can be settled
>> easily by running some test code on an OS X box.  I don't have time
>> to write a test class right now but if someone sends me one I can
>> compile it and try it out on Panther and Tiger and post the results
>> here.
> 
> Why bother following the _internal_workings_ of OSX? The important features,
> namely the external interface that apps see (that is, that
> -applicationShouldTerminate: gets invoked before the poweroff occurs and the
> return value correctly controls poweroff) and which users expect (correct
> behavior of the workspace when the app is controlling poweroff) is already in
> the implementation I proposed. My point is: my implementation _DOES_ follow 
> the
> correct OSX app behavior (which in simple terms means "override
> -applicationShouldTerminate: and you can decide about poweroff with it"), but 
> I
> didn't bother trying to disassemble and backtrace every step OSX made about 
> how
> to implement the feature, and thus a _dirty_ implementation that relies on 
> bugs
> in OSX might (will) not work on GNUstep.
> 
> Hell, why bother about following bugs or being 1000000% OSX compliant?? It
> behaves as the specification requires it to; finito. If we discuss every 
> single
> feature a year before it finally (if at all) gets in, then no wonder why 
> GNUstep
> is so terribly behind schedule. Look at KDE. Look at Gnome. Those projects
> started years after GNUstep and now are years ahead of it and their enlarging
> their lead.
> 
> What I'm trying to say is: don't worry about peanuts. We have far more 
> important
> and urgent issues which _DO_ require serious and competent decisions ASAP 
> (e.g.
> printing is absolutely crappy (even output to a PS file yields terrible
> results), audio support is far from existant, and we don't even have a good 
> IDE
> or workspace app!).
>
> Sorry I got so into rolling. It is nothing personal. But it's just that
> GNUstep's state has overall not improved much over the years, so it drives me
> mad with saddness...
> (Please don't flame me for that...)

No flame, but... what do you mean with "a good workspace app"? Well, I'm the 
author, but GWorkspace seems to me far better than the gnome or kde equivalents.
 
> --
> Saso