Re: Plans for ahead

[Gaël Elegoët]

Hi,

Nice screenshot you posted, is it a mockup or a working theme ?

As a new user, I believe there are some few things could already make the 
default installation look less repellent and more up to date :
- Changing the default icons (the current ones are just bad inspiration of the 
nice NeXT ones)
- Some shadows (as on that screenshot)
- maybe changing the GNUstep logo :P …

Some simple things that changes the look. But changing the defaults icons would 
be the first thing to do, really.
I believe the work Riccardo is doing on the themes is the way to go.

Anyway , just my noob 2 € cents…

Regards

Gaël Elégoët
galgot@free.fr
galgot.com



Le 29 nov. 2015 à 19:10, Gregory Casamento <greg.casamento@gmail.com> a écrit :

> Riccardo,
> 
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Riccardo Mottola
> <riccardo.mottola@libero.it> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Gregory Casamento wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I absolutely want "our" menus, they are distinctive and useful and if I
>>>> were
>>>>> to make a reference distribution, I'd want to retain that.
>>> 
>>> They are OLD.   More important than their usefulness is what they
>>> invoke and that is they make people think that we are NeXTSTEP and
>>> OPENSTEP only.  Like it or not our old look is part of our problem.
>>> I'm sorry you don't like this fact, but it is based on tons of first
>>> hand observation over the last ten years.
>> 
>> 
>> I'm sorry you mix look and with interface design. Facts and factoids.
> 
> Which are factoids?  All of the observations from people at the
> events, on twitter, etc... are based on personal experience.   I hear
> it every day.  Not factoids... these are widely held opinions.  I'm
> sorry you don't want to believe it.
> 
>> Actually, our menus are NEW, they are newer than in-window menus and
>> one-menu-bar on the top which came from Mac and Motif/OS2/Windows. They have
>> close parents and predecessors (e.g. SGI menus, Amiga menus) but NeXT made
>> them consistent.
> 
> They are from 1985.  Sorry, they evoke images of the past.
> 
>> The interaction with our menus makes NeXT & GNUstep distinctive and as
>> trying to port applications back and forth it allows for a unique
>> interaction. It allows, for example to have very smooth document based
>> applications which are impossible to achieve (as still the latest office
>> suite of a big software company proves) with in-window menus.
>> It offers the same functionality as a top menu bar, but is more flexible and
>> works well with big screens or multiple-screens. We do not need to invent
>> things like "tearable menus" and even "palettes" are not strictly necessary.
> 
> Distinctive, perhaps.   Perhaps there is a way we could make them more
> modern and still keep them next like.  I am not advocating getting rid
> of them or going for in-window or menu-bar menus (on the top of the
> screen)... what I'm suggesting is something like what was originally
> proposed by Jesse a few years ago in the attached file.
> 
>> Thus, playing the same song is of no good for anybody.
> 
> I would very much like to see our interface changed to something
> everyone can be in love with.   This is only good for the project.
> Our out of the box experience with users SUCKS ROCKS and this is
> something we need to think about.
> 
>> Riccardo
> 
> GC
> -- 
> Gregory Casamento
> GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant
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