Re: [hangout] Re: [DMCA-Activists] MSNBC / AP on "Trusted Computing"

[Ruben I Safir]

Seth is not NY Fair Use and doesn't speak for us.

Let them create their own orgnaanziation


This is America

Ruben

On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 08:28:52AM -0600, Jean-Michel Smith wrote:
> 
> On Thursday 07 November 2002 06:54 am, Ruben Safir wrote:
> 
> > But they probibly would have been able to do this if You Jay
> > and Brett didn't screw up the efforts of NY Fair Use because we
> > would have been all over the press right after July.  But your
> > ego's were more important than real political action, and you
> > just continue to chase ghosts like a dog chasing it's tail.
> 
> I don't know what the underlying arguments, politics, interpersonal 
> animosities, or what have you, are, but I can tell you this:
> 
> There are destructive ways to approach differences, and there are 
> constructive 
> ways to approach differences.
> 
> If you really do care more about digital freedom, you feel the tactics or 
> strategy of seth and his volunteers is flawed, and this isn't just an 
> egoistic pissing match between the two of you, then instead of sniping on 
> public lists everytime seth reports on an action his folks have taken why 
> don't you go out and do something YOU feel would be more constructive, and 
> report back to the list?
> 
> That would make infinitely more sense than sniping others (however justified 
> or not), and has the added advantage that if you are right and he is wrong, 
> then what needs to be done is getting done.  In addition, it has the 
> advantage (to the entire effort, not you or seth or anyone else personally) 
> in that if you are wrong, and he is right, then what needs to be done is 
> still getting done and you are at least not detracting from those efforts.
> 
> Frankly the more people who are aware of these issues, who are thinking about 
> them, and perhaps even volunteering to get out and spread the word, the 
> better off we'd all be, irrespective of our political or social affiliations.
> 
> So please, if you guys must fight battles, fight them in such a way that both 
> of you are adding postive value to the efforts to prevent our loss of digital 
> freedom.  A contest to see who is more effective in spreading the word, 
> getting media attention, and getting work done makes a lot more sense to me 
> than simply deriding one another.
> 
> My 2 uninformed cents, from the peanut gallary.
> 
> Jean.
> 
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