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Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode
From: |
Alan Mackenzie |
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Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode |
Date: |
Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:23:11 +0000 |
Hello, Kévin.
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 23:54:57 +0200, Kévin Le Gouguec wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie <address@hidden> writes:
> > org-mode is a sledgehammer and the six outline-mode files are mere nuts.
> > The org-mode source files are 100 times as big as outline.el.
> > You do not have to "know" outline-mode to use it. I certainly don't.
> > It is merely text-mode adorned with a few non-essential commands for
> > navigating via the outlines. Anybody who can use Emacs at all can use
> > outline-mode.
> > By contrast, org-mode is a monster. The learning time for org-mode must
> > be non-trivial.
> OTOH,
> - I don't think I will ever manage to remember any of the keybindings
> for the outline-(show|hide)-… functions, which means I will never be
> able to use the "selective display" feature advertised in
> outline-mode's docstring without a cheatsheet.
Neither can I. When I need it, which is rarely, there's C-h m.
> - With org-mode, I can simply TAB my way through a document without
> figuring out whether what I want to show/hide are entries, subtrees,
> children, branches, leaves, sublevels, bodies…
But you can't use TAB to indent a line, or alternatively to insert a tab
character. And how is a non-specialist user reading NEWS for a new
release going to find out about this TAB binding?
> So, while I agree that org-mode is a sledgehammer for e.g. idly browsing
> NEWS, from a user's point-of-view (at least this user) and to borrow
> your terms, outline-mode "is a monster" with countless esoteric
> keybindings;
There are not "countless" keybindings in outline-mode; there are just 26
defined commands, only some of which will have bindings. By contrast,
in org-mode there are 798 defined commands. That's a factor of 30
greater.
> meanwhile, I definitely don't "have to know" org-mode to use it; I
> just mindlessly hit TAB on the thing I want to show/hide.
That may be true up until somebody decides to insert some obscure
org-mode construct into NEWS. With over 4 magabytes of source code
implementing it, there will be more than a few such constructs.
> As I said in the bug report, to me this looks like a good opportunity to
> provide a friendlier section-cycling command for outline-mode; it
> boggles my mind that outline-toggle-children isn't bound by default.
Maybe it should be.
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, (continued)
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Alan Mackenzie, 2020/04/26
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Stefan Kangas, 2020/04/26
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Kévin Le Gouguec, 2020/04/26
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Stefan Monnier, 2020/04/26
- RE: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Drew Adams, 2020/04/26
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Kévin Le Gouguec, 2020/04/27
- RE: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Drew Adams, 2020/04/27
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Jean-Christophe Helary, 2020/04/27
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Kévin Le Gouguec, 2020/04/27
- Reveal-mode (was: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode), Stefan Monnier, 2020/04/27
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode,
Alan Mackenzie <=
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Kévin Le Gouguec, 2020/04/27
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Juri Linkov, 2020/04/27
- RE: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Drew Adams, 2020/04/27
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, John Yates, 2020/04/27
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Richard Stallman, 2020/04/27
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Nicolas Goaziou, 2020/04/28
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, H. Dieter Wilhelm, 2020/04/28
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Nicolas Goaziou, 2020/04/28
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, H. Dieter Wilhelm, 2020/04/28
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Juri Linkov, 2020/04/28