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Re: Always-true predicate?
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Eli Zaretskii |
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Re: Always-true predicate? |
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Fri, 19 Feb 2021 15:34:13 +0200 |
> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 06:52:57 -0600
> Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > I must diverge somewhat here, and express my uneasiness, to say the
> > least, with the recent-ish fashion of making too many user options
> > have function values. It makes "M-x set-variable" much less
> > convenient than it should be, and it makes customizing such options
> > harder for users who aren't proficient in Lisp.
>
> Could you elaborate on how it makes it harder to customize?
Isn't it clear that typing a function at set-variable's prompt is much
less convenient than typing an atom, like a symbol, a string, or a
number? For starters, it is much more typing. And then it's easy to
make a mistake, which will require you to start over again.
> Doesn't `customize-option' hide that away?
I was talking about set-variable, not about customize-option.
But even with customize-option things are much less convenient when
using function values. You say "hide", and mean the values that are
already in the :choice list. But what about values that aren't?
Customization is about _changing_ the defaults, not about leaving them
unchanged. Typing a function's name, let alone a lambda-expression,
in the Custom form is no fun. So having a user option whose value
_must_ be a function is a PITA.
And then we have this annoyance from "C-h v" as well:
read-extended-command-predicate is a variable defined in ‘simple.el’.
Its value is
#f(compiled-function
(s b)
#<bytecode 0x5a5068802147c83>)
That's not very useful display for a user option.
> BTW, should perhaps `set-variable' support completing on the forms in
> :type somehow?
It already does, sort-of. Try typing a value that doesn't fit :type,
and you'll see that in action.
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