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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename?
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Thomas Zander |
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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename? |
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Thu, 25 Dec 2003 13:05:15 +0100 |
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On Thursday 25 December 2003 12:41, Miles Bader wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 25, 2003 at 10:04:35AM +0100, Thomas Zander wrote:
> > In KDE3.2 the exact same service has been added but they called it
> > differently; they called it 'fish'. I'm pretty sure they have a good
> > reason to call it that and if you want I can find out why.
> >
> > Point is that I think the sftp protocol naming in arch is confusing and I
> > think we should call it 'fish' instead.
>
> Many people _do_ know the `proper' meaning of sftp, and would be extremely
> confused if it was called `fish'.
Thats why I proposed to make the sftp one deprecated; I never suggested to
remove it.
> In time I suppose you could educate
> people to know what `fish' means, to the point where it wouldn't cause
> problems -- but you could do the same thing with `sftp', and it has a head
> start.
I'm not so sure about that; bad habits are hard to shake and the 'fish'
protocol has a HUGE advantage; it comes with the standard KDE distribution
which means at least 50% of the users will have it on his desktop.
> sftp also has the advantage that it actually makes some sense, so it's a
> lot easier to remember than a completely arbitrary string.
Ok, thats a strange way of saying you wish to know what fish standards for :)
- From the README:
FISH is a protocol to get filesystem access without special server
software, only using a remote shell. (Hence the name: FIles transferred
over SHell protocol).
> [AFAIK, the other programs/protocols called `sftp' are very old and not
> really used anymore, so I don't think there's any active competition for
> the name, just the slow fading of years-old memories...]
The problem is that if you look up sftp you will find the /etc/services
reference, that is never going to go away. sftp the old one will be supported
by systems that like legacy stuff; like Solaris, SGI etc.
So the naming will be duplicate for a long long time to come.
The problem is very real; as we have seen a couple of times on this list. I
have not heard any good reason why this problem will go away in a reasonable
timeframe.
- --
Thomas Zander
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- [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename?, Thomas Zander, 2003/12/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename?, Miles Bader, 2003/12/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename?, Miles Bader, 2003/12/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename?,
Thomas Zander <=
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename?, Andrew Suffield, 2003/12/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename?, James Blackwell, 2003/12/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename?, Thomas Zander, 2003/12/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename?, James Blackwell, 2003/12/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename?, Thomas Zander, 2003/12/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename?, Miles Bader, 2003/12/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename?, Robert Collins, 2003/12/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename?, Miles Bader, 2003/12/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename?, Florian Weimer, 2003/12/26
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] sftp rename?, Thomas Zander, 2003/12/26