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Re: Outsourcing issue flares up at Stanford chip conference

From: zalekbloom
Subject: Re: Outsourcing issue flares up at Stanford chip conference
Date: 2 Sep 2004 18:46:27 -0700 (Tim Jowers) wrote in message 
> Zalek Bloom <> wrote in message 
> news:<>...
> > On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:24:18 +0000, David Fabian wrote:
> > 
> > > "ziliath" <> wrote in message 
> > >
> > >>
> > > 
> > > Excerpt:
> > > 
> > >     "I think outsourcing is good for Americans, it creates jobs in 
> > > America,"
> > >     said T. J. Rodgers, founder, president and chief executive officer of
> > >     Cypress Semiconductor Corp.
> > > 
> > > He is either a liar or a complete idiot, who would give away his money,
> > > while thinking he is getting richer.
> > 
> > I think he is right - replacing American workers by cheap foreign
> > workers (called outsourcing) is excellent for America - for
> > rich America. Replacing American $80k/year engineer by $5k Indian engineer
> > saves corporation $75k/year - which means bigger bonuses for corporate
> > management. And not only big management gains - they can spend more
> > money on lobbying the Senate and Congress - that means our politicians
> > gain too.
> > And the truth is that American voters overwhelmingly support this trend
> > - about 80% of them will be voting for Bush/Kerry team - both support
> > replacing American workers by cheap foreigners.
> > 
> > Zalek
> Did the CEO of Cypress at least get booed? Or thrown to the curb?
> Zalek, you are not kidding! I read all over and the only
> positive thing I can come up with is that they promise to STOP TAX
> BREAKS for companies that move work overseas! Wow, what kinda BS
> politicians are running this country that they have given tax breaks
> to ENCOURAGE shutting down plants in the USA? Kerry has an outstanding
> letter requesting his position on OFFSHORING and VISA ABUSES but hsa
> taken no position (He and Edwards DID vote to raise H1B to 800k we all
> know.) Well, I tried to track this issue with my Congressional
> candidates too since Congress levies the taxes. Hollings is retiring
> and not one other candidate will speak out for American jobs so far!!!
> Hell, one of my senators, Joe Wilson, is the Co-Chair of the India
> Caucus!!!! Talk about some bullshit. 1 in 7 people in South Carolina
> live in poverty and we have a senator working to send jobs to India.
> My theory is that large groups react slowly but forcefully; so, in a
> few years what we think now will be accepted widely. A few weeks ago I
> emailed a request to an SC tech group to lobby the SC Employment
> Security Commission and eventually the Department of Labor so all H1 
> and L1 jobs be listed on public well-known job sites so Americans can
> apply and do you know what? Three people emailed me saying they don't
> support my political views!!! One person emailed that her tech company
> had been all but wiped out by cheap foreign labor.
> What is happening is that the US Government wants to drive inflation
> through immigration but in turn they are driving poverty (fact) as
> Americans are replaced by immigrants who themselves are barely earning
> enough to escape poverty and certainly not enough to raise a family
> and thrive.
> You have to be a masochist to vote for Bush but Kerry has been in
> Congress 20 years so how much better is he? We cannot campaign for him
> as he will not state a position on VISA ABUSES and has only stated the
> weakest position on OFFSHORING.
> My observation,
> TimJowers


We (working Americans) are being screwed - and the sad reason is that
majority of working Americans are not very smart - politicain and rich
people are much smarter then us.
I talk to a few friends on my (working Americans) - tried to convience
to vote, but not for Kerry of Bush - without any success. Their logic
- Kerry is better then Bush, so any voter for Nader (or other dude) is
vote for Bush. My logic is - voting for Kerry gives to Democrats the
correct impression that voters approve Democrats policy of replacing
American workers by cheap foreigners, so voting for Nader (even it
means 4 more years of Bush) will teach Democrats to change this
policy. The smartest argument of my friend (I hope Suzan you are
reading this post) - Democrats are too stupid to learn anything, but
she will vote Democrats, because Republicans are even more stupid.
So guys, chear up!!! As colege graduates start working in McDonalds
and Walmart - the services will be better and hamburgers taster and we
will tell proud stories to our granchildren:
"when I was your dad age I worked as engineer, not like your dad
delivering pizza".


Some ideas how to slowdown outsourcing:

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