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Today's Topics:
1. Re: out there suggestion... (John Fruetel)
2. gotmail sorta working (Kerry Blalock)
3. Re: out there suggestion... (Dan Wilson)
4. Re: out there suggestion... (Roger Knobbe)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:22:20 -0800
From: "John Fruetel" <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
To: <address@hidden>
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Using the WebDav protocol (like hotwayd does) is by far the best way. OE
doesn't break because it uses this protocol. I'm not sure how well
documented that interface is though. I was looking at the hotwayd page and
it looks like they do an excellent job getting messages, but some of the
things that gotmail does, like only getting new messages, might be a little
more difficult in WebDav. Still, I don't really know that much about the
WebDav protocol. If it's powerful enough to do the stuff that gotmail
does,
like delete messages, only-get new messages, stuff like that, I'm all for
it. Paul Cannon knows quite about this, maybe he can offer some
suggestions.
I think you might have to be a little bit of an old-timer like me to
remember those days when OE displayed those stupid ads. They only did that
for a short time; I think Microsoft was pressured into it by companies
buying ads for the hotmail site that were never seen by OE users. It made
OE downright UGLY though and they stopped doing it.
Who knows why MS changed the web interface. How many users does
hotmail.com
have? Over 100 million? I suppose they're just trying to make their site
mork attractive as a 'portal' and maybe more consistent with other MS
products.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Forth" <address@hidden>
To: <address@hidden>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:48 PM
Subject: RE: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
> Since MS changed their hotmail pages that last time that broke gotmail
I
> have been using OE 6 (6.00.2800.1123)and would like to report there are
no
> ads in that interface so I can't that being the main driving force
behind
MS
> changing the site on a regular basis. Not being a programmer I can't
really
> offer any suggestions as to how to fix the perl script but it would seem
to
> me that since OE doesn't break there has to be some way to get around MS
> changing it's site?
>
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: address@hidden
> [mailto:address@hidden Behalf
> Of John Fruetel
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:27 PM
> To: address@hidden; address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
>
>
> I've actually thought about this quite a bit. Gotmail is basically a
fancy
> 'screen scraper' that looks like a regular user to Hotmail. As such,
it's
> prone to break every time MS changes the hotmail pages, like what just
> happened.
>
> Paul Cannon, who worked on this project just before I did, also works on
> hotwayd. According to Paul, the http mail protocol isn't 100% either.
I'd
> rather Paul spoke about this, but I got the impression from him that the
> http mail protocol isn't a bad of roses either. Although it's not as
likely
> to break as gotmail is, it has it's own set of problems.
>
> I write web services all the time at work. In fact, I use the amazon
> webservices to test things. I even have a webservice on bigfatdude to
check
> e-mails for spaminess.
>
> The problem here is that Microsoft doesn't seem to want to make it easy
to
> use Hotmail via a webservice. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but
as
> far as I know http mail is still sorta proprietary to MS and they don't
seem
> interested in opening it up. They want you to go to the web page to use
> hotmail and see all the advertising. In fact, some years ago, Outlook
> Express would show the same ads as hotmail when you used OE as a hotmail
> client.
>
> So, I guess I'm agreeing here... There is a lot of 'cross-over'
development
> happening here. But I think that gotmail might be a little more
functional
> than hotwayd at the moment. By 'functional', I mean it can do more.
But
if
> hotwayd can indeed do all the low-level functionality that gotmail
needs,
> I'm all for using it in the future.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Staniford" <address@hidden>
> To: "'E H R'" <address@hidden>; <address@hidden>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:00 PM
> Subject: RE: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > You're not the only one :-) Have you heard of WSDL (Web service
> > description language)? Microsoft, Sun and IBM and are all piling
loads
> > of money into XML based web services for websites (there's open source
> > stuff too I think) so that programs don't break when the interface
> > changes. The WSDL is stored in a public directory (Like LDAP) so that
> > anyone can go and check out the interface and write programs for it.
> > There are cool programs for java/perl etc that allow you to auto
> > generate a set of classes (called stub classes) for the web services
> > interface so all you have to do is call the methods from within your
> > program and you can access all the data from the website. You can
> > already get these XML interfaces for amazon.com and many others. So,
> > once everyone has them, HTML changes won't break things like they do
> > now.
> >
> > Benj..
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: address@hidden
> > [mailto:gotmail-
> > >address@hidden On Behalf Of E H R
> > >Sent: 17 December 2003 00:41
> > >To: address@hidden
> > >Subject: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
> > >
> > >I have a rather large collection of webmails(on different systems)
and
> > tend
> > >to need a whole collection of daemons to run them all, now I was
> > looking at
> > >one of them(for mail.com) and I remembered that since the hotmail and
> > yahoo
> > >rebuilds, a lot of work was going on. Now I know the other
> > >project(pywebmail) doesn't use the same language as gotmail(perl) but
I
> > >thought it was interesting it used xml for storing webmail-server
> > >behaviour... Could some kind of collaborative effort, perhaps using
> > those
> > >same xml files, be built, so that there is less duplication of effort
> > when
> > >hotmail et al decide to make our lives difficult?
> > >
> > >I've used fetchyahoo, gotmail, mrpostman, hotwayd, web2pop and
> > pywebmail(at
> > >least) so far, and I did notice that keeping up with the provides is
> > >probably the largest part of the update work.
> > >
> > >Am I the only one who sees a great idea in this ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:19:55 -0500 (EST)
From: "Kerry Blalock" <address@hidden>
Subject: [gotmail] gotmail sorta working
To: <address@hidden>
Message-ID: <address@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
I have gotmail v 8, I believe, working on one user on my postfix,
squirrellmail, RH 9 system. I set it up with a cron job that runs every 15
minutes, and reads the info in users .gotmailrc file.
I have another user, using spanish language in squirrelmail, that I cannot
get gotmail to retrieve hotmail. It grinds and grinds, but does not get
the mail.
If needed, I can get the message I receive at the end.
Thanks for a great product,
Kerry
> with other MS products.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Forth" <address@hidden>
> To: <address@hidden>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:48 PM
> Subject: RE: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
>
>
>> Since MS changed their hotmail pages that last time that broke gotmail
>> I have been using OE 6 (6.00.2800.1123)and would like to report there
>> are no ads in that interface so I can't that being the main driving
>> force behind
> MS
>> changing the site on a regular basis. Not being a programmer I can't
> really
>> offer any suggestions as to how to fix the perl script but it would
>> seem
> to
>> me that since OE doesn't break there has to be some way to get around
>> MS changing it's site?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: address@hidden
>> [mailto:address@hidden Behalf
>> Of John Fruetel
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:27 PM
>> To: address@hidden; address@hidden
>> Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
>>
>>
>> I've actually thought about this quite a bit. Gotmail is basically a
> fancy
>> 'screen scraper' that looks like a regular user to Hotmail. As such,
>> it's prone to break every time MS changes the hotmail pages, like what
>> just happened.
>>
>> Paul Cannon, who worked on this project just before I did, also works
>> on hotwayd. According to Paul, the http mail protocol isn't 100%
>> either.
> I'd
>> rather Paul spoke about this, but I got the impression from him that
>> the http mail protocol isn't a bad of roses either. Although it's not
>> as
> likely
>> to break as gotmail is, it has it's own set of problems.
>>
>> I write web services all the time at work. In fact, I use the amazon
>> webservices to test things. I even have a webservice on bigfatdude to
> check
>> e-mails for spaminess.
>>
>> The problem here is that Microsoft doesn't seem to want to make it
>> easy to use Hotmail via a webservice. Somebody can correct me if I'm
>> wrong, but
> as
>> far as I know http mail is still sorta proprietary to MS and they
>> don't
> seem
>> interested in opening it up. They want you to go to the web page to
>> use hotmail and see all the advertising. In fact, some years ago,
>> Outlook Express would show the same ads as hotmail when you used OE as
>> a hotmail client.
>>
>> So, I guess I'm agreeing here... There is a lot of 'cross-over'
> development
>> happening here. But I think that gotmail might be a little more
> functional
>> than hotwayd at the moment. By 'functional', I mean it can do more.
>> But
> if
>> hotwayd can indeed do all the low-level functionality that gotmail
>> needs, I'm all for using it in the future.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ben Staniford" <address@hidden>
>> To: "'E H R'" <address@hidden>; <address@hidden>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:00 PM
>> Subject: RE: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
>>
>>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > You're not the only one :-) Have you heard of WSDL (Web service
>> description language)? Microsoft, Sun and IBM and are all piling
>> loads of money into XML based web services for websites (there's
>> open source stuff too I think) so that programs don't break when the
>> interface changes. The WSDL is stored in a public directory (Like
>> LDAP) so that anyone can go and check out the interface and write
>> programs for it. There are cool programs for java/perl etc that
>> allow you to auto generate a set of classes (called stub classes)
>> for the web services interface so all you have to do is call the
>> methods from within your program and you can access all the data
>> from the website. You can already get these XML interfaces for
>> amazon.com and many others. So, once everyone has them, HTML
>> changes won't break things like they do now.
>> >
>> > Benj..
>> >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: address@hidden
>> > [mailto:gotmail-
>> > >address@hidden On Behalf Of E H R Sent:
>> 17 December 2003 00:41
>> > >To: address@hidden
>> > >Subject: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
>> > >
>> > >I have a rather large collection of webmails(on different systems)
>> and
>> > tend
>> > >to need a whole collection of daemons to run them all, now I was
>> > looking at
>> > >one of them(for mail.com) and I remembered that since the hotmail
>> and
>> > yahoo
>> > >rebuilds, a lot of work was going on. Now I know the other
>> > >project(pywebmail) doesn't use the same language as gotmail(perl)
>> but I thought it was interesting it used xml for storing
>> webmail-server behaviour... Could some kind of collaborative
>> effort, perhaps using
>> > those
>> > >same xml files, be built, so that there is less duplication of
>> effort
>> > when
>> > >hotmail et al decide to make our lives difficult?
>> > >
>> > >I've used fetchyahoo, gotmail, mrpostman, hotwayd, web2pop and
>> > pywebmail(at
>> > >least) so far, and I did notice that keeping up with the provides
>> is probably the largest part of the update work.
>> > >
>> > >Am I the only one who sees a great idea in this ?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >_______________________________________________
>> > >Gotmail-list mailing list
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>> >
>> >
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:24:40 -0700
From: Dan Wilson <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
To: address@hidden
Message-ID: <address@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
The fix for msn.com accounts it to comment out the if block specific to
msn.com
addressess:
#if ($domain eq 'msn.com') {
# if ($page =~ m/Location: (\S+)/i) {
# ....
#}
This was lines 665 to 679 in my version... which I got from the following
link:
http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/gotmail-list/2003-12/msg00065.html
If guess the extra redirect for msn.com addresses was removed from the
hotmail
process.
Hope that helps,
-Dan
Quoting Roger Knobbe <address@hidden>:
> Unfortunately, msn.com addresses don't work in outlook express. Msn.com
> mail, which is hosted by hotmail, was working in gotmail up until the
> last web page change.
>
> On 12/18/03 00:48, Brian Forth wrote:
> > Since MS changed their hotmail pages that last time that broke gotmail
I
> > have been using OE 6 (6.00.2800.1123)and would like to report there
are no
> > ads in that interface so I can't that being the main driving force
behind
> MS
> > changing the site on a regular basis. Not being a programmer I can't
really
> > offer any suggestions as to how to fix the perl script but it would
seem to
> > me that since OE doesn't break there has to be some way to get around
MS
> > changing it's site?
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: address@hidden
> > [mailto:address@hidden Behalf
> > Of John Fruetel
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:27 PM
> > To: address@hidden; address@hidden
> > Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
> >
> >
> > I've actually thought about this quite a bit. Gotmail is basically a
fancy
> > 'screen scraper' that looks like a regular user to Hotmail. As such,
it's
> > prone to break every time MS changes the hotmail pages, like what just
> > happened.
> >
> > Paul Cannon, who worked on this project just before I did, also works
on
> > hotwayd. According to Paul, the http mail protocol isn't 100% either.
I'd
> > rather Paul spoke about this, but I got the impression from him that
the
> > http mail protocol isn't a bad of roses either. Although it's not as
> likely
> > to break as gotmail is, it has it's own set of problems.
> >
> > I write web services all the time at work. In fact, I use the amazon
> > webservices to test things. I even have a webservice on bigfatdude to
> check
> > e-mails for spaminess.
> >
> > The problem here is that Microsoft doesn't seem to want to make it
easy to
> > use Hotmail via a webservice. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong,
but as
> > far as I know http mail is still sorta proprietary to MS and they
don't
> seem
> > interested in opening it up. They want you to go to the web page to
use
> > hotmail and see all the advertising. In fact, some years ago, Outlook
> > Express would show the same ads as hotmail when you used OE as a
hotmail
> > client.
> >
> > So, I guess I'm agreeing here... There is a lot of 'cross-over'
> development
> > happening here. But I think that gotmail might be a little more
functional
> > than hotwayd at the moment. By 'functional', I mean it can do more.
But
> if
> > hotwayd can indeed do all the low-level functionality that gotmail
needs,
> > I'm all for using it in the future.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ben Staniford" <address@hidden>
> > To: "'E H R'" <address@hidden>; <address@hidden>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:00 PM
> > Subject: RE: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > You're not the only one :-) Have you heard of WSDL (Web service
> > > description language)? Microsoft, Sun and IBM and are all piling
loads
> > > of money into XML based web services for websites (there's open
source
> > > stuff too I think) so that programs don't break when the interface
> > > changes. The WSDL is stored in a public directory (Like LDAP) so
that
> > > anyone can go and check out the interface and write programs for it.
> > > There are cool programs for java/perl etc that allow you to auto
> > > generate a set of classes (called stub classes) for the web services
> > > interface so all you have to do is call the methods from within your
> > > program and you can access all the data from the website. You can
> > > already get these XML interfaces for amazon.com and many others.
So,
> > > once everyone has them, HTML changes won't break things like they do
> > > now.
> > >
> > > Benj..
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: address@hidden
> > > [mailto:gotmail-
> > > >address@hidden On Behalf Of E H R
> > > >Sent: 17 December 2003 00:41
> > > >To: address@hidden
> > > >Subject: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
> > > >
> > > >I have a rather large collection of webmails(on different systems)
and
> > > tend
> > > >to need a whole collection of daemons to run them all, now I was
> > > looking at
> > > >one of them(for mail.com) and I remembered that since the hotmail
and
> > > yahoo
> > > >rebuilds, a lot of work was going on. Now I know the other
> > > >project(pywebmail) doesn't use the same language as gotmail(perl)
but I
> > > >thought it was interesting it used xml for storing webmail-server
> > > >behaviour... Could some kind of collaborative effort, perhaps
using
> > > those
> > > >same xml files, be built, so that there is less duplication of
effort
> > > when
> > > >hotmail et al decide to make our lives difficult?
> > > >
> > > >I've used fetchyahoo, gotmail, mrpostman, hotwayd, web2pop and
> > > pywebmail(at
> > > >least) so far, and I did notice that keeping up with the provides
is
> > > >probably the largest part of the update work.
> > > >
> > > >Am I the only one who sees a great idea in this ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >_______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:48:36 -0800
From: Roger Knobbe <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
To: address@hidden
Message-ID: <address@hidden>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Perfect -- that fixed it. Thanks.
rog.
On 12/18/03 09:24, Dan Wilson wrote:
> The fix for msn.com accounts it to comment out the if block specific to
msn.com
> addressess:
>
> #if ($domain eq 'msn.com') {
> # if ($page =~ m/Location: (\S+)/i) {
> # ....
> #}
>
> This was lines 665 to 679 in my version... which I got from the
following link:
> http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/gotmail-list/2003-12/msg00065.html
>
> If guess the extra redirect for msn.com addresses was removed from the
hotmail
> process.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> -Dan
>
> Quoting Roger Knobbe <address@hidden>:
>
> > Unfortunately, msn.com addresses don't work in outlook express.
Msn.com
> > mail, which is hosted by hotmail, was working in gotmail up until the
> > last web page change.
> >
> > On 12/18/03 00:48, Brian Forth wrote:
> > > Since MS changed their hotmail pages that last time that broke
gotmail I
> > > have been using OE 6 (6.00.2800.1123)and would like to report there
are no
> > > ads in that interface so I can't that being the main driving force
behind
> > MS
> > > changing the site on a regular basis. Not being a programmer I can't
really
> > > offer any suggestions as to how to fix the perl script but it would
seem to
> > > me that since OE doesn't break there has to be some way to get
around MS
> > > changing it's site?
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: address@hidden
> > > [mailto:address@hidden
Behalf
> > > Of John Fruetel
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:27 PM
> > > To: address@hidden; address@hidden
> > > Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
> > >
> > >
> > > I've actually thought about this quite a bit. Gotmail is basically
a fancy
> > > 'screen scraper' that looks like a regular user to Hotmail. As
such, it's
> > > prone to break every time MS changes the hotmail pages, like what
just
> > > happened.
> > >
> > > Paul Cannon, who worked on this project just before I did, also
works on
> > > hotwayd. According to Paul, the http mail protocol isn't 100%
either. I'd
> > > rather Paul spoke about this, but I got the impression from him that
the
> > > http mail protocol isn't a bad of roses either. Although it's not
as
> > likely
> > > to break as gotmail is, it has it's own set of problems.
> > >
> > > I write web services all the time at work. In fact, I use the
amazon
> > > webservices to test things. I even have a webservice on bigfatdude
to
> > check
> > > e-mails for spaminess.
> > >
> > > The problem here is that Microsoft doesn't seem to want to make it
easy to
> > > use Hotmail via a webservice. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong,
but as
> > > far as I know http mail is still sorta proprietary to MS and they
don't
> > seem
> > > interested in opening it up. They want you to go to the web page to
use
> > > hotmail and see all the advertising. In fact, some years ago,
Outlook
> > > Express would show the same ads as hotmail when you used OE as a
hotmail
> > > client.
> > >
> > > So, I guess I'm agreeing here... There is a lot of 'cross-over'
> > development
> > > happening here. But I think that gotmail might be a little more
functional
> > > than hotwayd at the moment. By 'functional', I mean it can do more.
But
> > if
> > > hotwayd can indeed do all the low-level functionality that gotmail
needs,
> > > I'm all for using it in the future.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ben Staniford" <address@hidden>
> > > To: "'E H R'" <address@hidden>; <address@hidden>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:00 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > You're not the only one :-) Have you heard of WSDL (Web service
> > > > description language)? Microsoft, Sun and IBM and are all piling
loads
> > > > of money into XML based web services for websites (there's open
source
> > > > stuff too I think) so that programs don't break when the interface
> > > > changes. The WSDL is stored in a public directory (Like LDAP) so
that
> > > > anyone can go and check out the interface and write programs for
it.
> > > > There are cool programs for java/perl etc that allow you to auto
> > > > generate a set of classes (called stub classes) for the web
services
> > > > interface so all you have to do is call the methods from within
your
> > > > program and you can access all the data from the website. You can
> > > > already get these XML interfaces for amazon.com and many others.
So,
> > > > once everyone has them, HTML changes won't break things like they
do
> > > > now.
> > > >
> > > > Benj..
> > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: address@hidden
> > > > [mailto:gotmail-
> > > > >address@hidden On Behalf Of E H R
> > > > >Sent: 17 December 2003 00:41
> > > > >To: address@hidden
> > > > >Subject: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
> > > > >
> > > > >I have a rather large collection of webmails(on different
systems) and
> > > > tend
> > > > >to need a whole collection of daemons to run them all, now I was
> > > > looking at
> > > > >one of them(for mail.com) and I remembered that since the hotmail
and
> > > > yahoo
> > > > >rebuilds, a lot of work was going on. Now I know the other
> > > > >project(pywebmail) doesn't use the same language as gotmail(perl)
but I
> > > > >thought it was interesting it used xml for storing webmail-server
> > > > >behaviour... Could some kind of collaborative effort, perhaps
using
> > > > those
> > > > >same xml files, be built, so that there is less duplication of
effort
> > > > when
> > > > >hotmail et al decide to make our lives difficult?
> > > > >
> > > > >I've used fetchyahoo, gotmail, mrpostman, hotwayd, web2pop and
> > > > pywebmail(at
> > > > >least) so far, and I did notice that keeping up with the provides
is
> > > > >probably the largest part of the update work.
> > > > >
> > > > >Am I the only one who sees a great idea in this ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
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