Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion...

[Roger Knobbe]

Perfect -- that fixed it.  Thanks.

rog.

On 12/18/03 09:24, Dan Wilson wrote:
> The fix for msn.com accounts it to comment out the if block specific to 
> msn.com
> addressess:
> 
> #if ($domain eq 'msn.com') {
> #   if ($page =~ m/Location: (\S+)/i) {
> #   ....
> #}
> 
> This was lines 665 to 679 in my version... which I got from the following 
> link:
> http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/gotmail-list/2003-12/msg00065.html
> 
> If guess the extra redirect for msn.com addresses was removed from the hotmail
> process.
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> -Dan
> 
> Quoting Roger Knobbe <address@hidden>:
> 
> > Unfortunately, msn.com addresses don't work in outlook express.  Msn.com
> > mail, which is hosted by hotmail, was working in gotmail up until the
> > last web page change.
> >
> > On 12/18/03 00:48, Brian Forth wrote:
> > > Since MS changed their hotmail pages that last time that broke gotmail  I
> > > have been using OE 6 (6.00.2800.1123)and would like to report there are no
> > > ads in that interface so I can't that being the main driving force behind
> > MS
> > > changing the site on a regular basis. Not being a programmer I can't 
> > > really
> > > offer any suggestions as to how to fix the perl script but it would seem 
> > > to
> > > me that since OE doesn't break there has to be some way to get around MS
> > > changing it's site?
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: address@hidden
> > > [mailto:address@hidden Behalf
> > > Of John Fruetel
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:27 PM
> > > To: address@hidden; address@hidden
> > > Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
> > >
> > >
> > > I've actually thought about this quite a bit.  Gotmail is basically a 
> > > fancy
> > > 'screen scraper' that looks like a regular user to Hotmail.  As such, it's
> > > prone to break every time MS changes the hotmail pages, like what just
> > > happened.
> > >
> > > Paul Cannon, who worked on this project just before I did, also works on
> > > hotwayd.  According to Paul, the http mail protocol isn't 100% either.  
> > > I'd
> > > rather Paul spoke about this, but I got the impression from him that the
> > > http mail protocol isn't a bad of roses either.  Although it's not as
> > likely
> > > to break as gotmail is, it has it's own set of problems.
> > >
> > > I write web services all the time at work.  In fact, I use the amazon
> > > webservices to test things.  I even have a webservice on bigfatdude to
> > check
> > > e-mails for spaminess.
> > >
> > > The problem here is that Microsoft doesn't seem to want to make it easy to
> > > use Hotmail via a webservice.  Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but 
> > > as
> > > far as I know http mail is still sorta proprietary to MS and they don't
> > seem
> > > interested in opening it up.  They want you to go to the web page to use
> > > hotmail and see all the advertising.  In fact, some years ago, Outlook
> > > Express would show the same ads as hotmail when you used OE as a hotmail
> > > client.
> > >
> > > So, I guess I'm agreeing here...  There is a lot of 'cross-over'
> > development
> > > happening here.  But I think that gotmail might be a little more 
> > > functional
> > > than hotwayd at the moment.  By 'functional', I mean it can do more.  But
> > if
> > > hotwayd can indeed do all the low-level functionality that gotmail needs,
> > > I'm all for using it in the future.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ben Staniford" <address@hidden>
> > > To: "'E H R'" <address@hidden>; <address@hidden>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:00 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > You're not the only one :-)  Have you heard of WSDL (Web service
> > > > description language)?  Microsoft, Sun and IBM and are all piling loads
> > > > of money into XML based web services for websites (there's open source
> > > > stuff too I think) so that programs don't break when the interface
> > > > changes.  The WSDL is stored in a public directory (Like LDAP) so that
> > > > anyone can go and check out the interface and write programs for it.
> > > > There are cool programs for java/perl etc that allow you to auto
> > > > generate a set of classes (called stub classes) for the web services
> > > > interface so all you have to do is call the methods from within your
> > > > program and you can access all the data from the website.  You can
> > > > already get these XML interfaces for amazon.com and many others.  So,
> > > > once everyone has them, HTML changes won't break things like they do
> > > > now.
> > > >
> > > > Benj..
> > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: address@hidden
> > > > [mailto:gotmail-
> > > > >address@hidden On Behalf Of E H R
> > > > >Sent: 17 December 2003 00:41
> > > > >To: address@hidden
> > > > >Subject: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
> > > > >
> > > > >I have a rather large collection of webmails(on different systems) and
> > > > tend
> > > > >to need a whole collection of daemons to run them all, now I was
> > > > looking at
> > > > >one of them(for mail.com) and I remembered that since the hotmail and
> > > > yahoo
> > > > >rebuilds, a lot of work was going on.  Now I know the other
> > > > >project(pywebmail) doesn't use the same language as gotmail(perl) but I
> > > > >thought it was interesting it used xml for storing webmail-server
> > > > >behaviour...  Could some kind of collaborative effort, perhaps using
> > > > those
> > > > >same xml files, be built, so that there is less duplication of effort
> > > > when
> > > > >hotmail et al decide to make our lives difficult?
> > > > >
> > > > >I've used fetchyahoo, gotmail, mrpostman, hotwayd, web2pop and
> > > > pywebmail(at
> > > > >least) so far, and I did notice that keeping up with the provides is
> > > > >probably the largest part of the update work.
> > > > >
> > > > >Am I the only one who sees a great idea in this ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
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