Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion...

[Roger Knobbe]

Unfortunately, msn.com addresses don't work in outlook express.  Msn.com
mail, which is hosted by hotmail, was working in gotmail up until the
last web page change.

On 12/18/03 00:48, Brian Forth wrote:
> Since MS changed their hotmail pages that last time that broke gotmail  I
> have been using OE 6 (6.00.2800.1123)and would like to report there are no
> ads in that interface so I can't that being the main driving force behind MS
> changing the site on a regular basis. Not being a programmer I can't really
> offer any suggestions as to how to fix the perl script but it would seem to
> me that since OE doesn't break there has to be some way to get around MS
> changing it's site?
> 
> Brian
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: address@hidden
> [mailto:address@hidden Behalf
> Of John Fruetel
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:27 PM
> To: address@hidden; address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
> 
> 
> I've actually thought about this quite a bit.  Gotmail is basically a fancy
> 'screen scraper' that looks like a regular user to Hotmail.  As such, it's
> prone to break every time MS changes the hotmail pages, like what just
> happened.
> 
> Paul Cannon, who worked on this project just before I did, also works on
> hotwayd.  According to Paul, the http mail protocol isn't 100% either.  I'd
> rather Paul spoke about this, but I got the impression from him that the
> http mail protocol isn't a bad of roses either.  Although it's not as likely
> to break as gotmail is, it has it's own set of problems.
> 
> I write web services all the time at work.  In fact, I use the amazon
> webservices to test things.  I even have a webservice on bigfatdude to check
> e-mails for spaminess.
> 
> The problem here is that Microsoft doesn't seem to want to make it easy to
> use Hotmail via a webservice.  Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but as
> far as I know http mail is still sorta proprietary to MS and they don't seem
> interested in opening it up.  They want you to go to the web page to use
> hotmail and see all the advertising.  In fact, some years ago, Outlook
> Express would show the same ads as hotmail when you used OE as a hotmail
> client.
> 
> So, I guess I'm agreeing here...  There is a lot of 'cross-over' development
> happening here.  But I think that gotmail might be a little more functional
> than hotwayd at the moment.  By 'functional', I mean it can do more.  But if
> hotwayd can indeed do all the low-level functionality that gotmail needs,
> I'm all for using it in the future.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Staniford" <address@hidden>
> To: "'E H R'" <address@hidden>; <address@hidden>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:00 PM
> Subject: RE: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
> 
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > You're not the only one :-)  Have you heard of WSDL (Web service
> > description language)?  Microsoft, Sun and IBM and are all piling loads
> > of money into XML based web services for websites (there's open source
> > stuff too I think) so that programs don't break when the interface
> > changes.  The WSDL is stored in a public directory (Like LDAP) so that
> > anyone can go and check out the interface and write programs for it.
> > There are cool programs for java/perl etc that allow you to auto
> > generate a set of classes (called stub classes) for the web services
> > interface so all you have to do is call the methods from within your
> > program and you can access all the data from the website.  You can
> > already get these XML interfaces for amazon.com and many others.  So,
> > once everyone has them, HTML changes won't break things like they do
> > now.
> >
> > Benj..
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: address@hidden
> > [mailto:gotmail-
> > >address@hidden On Behalf Of E H R
> > >Sent: 17 December 2003 00:41
> > >To: address@hidden
> > >Subject: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
> > >
> > >I have a rather large collection of webmails(on different systems) and
> > tend
> > >to need a whole collection of daemons to run them all, now I was
> > looking at
> > >one of them(for mail.com) and I remembered that since the hotmail and
> > yahoo
> > >rebuilds, a lot of work was going on.  Now I know the other
> > >project(pywebmail) doesn't use the same language as gotmail(perl) but I
> > >thought it was interesting it used xml for storing webmail-server
> > >behaviour...  Could some kind of collaborative effort, perhaps using
> > those
> > >same xml files, be built, so that there is less duplication of effort
> > when
> > >hotmail et al decide to make our lives difficult?
> > >
> > >I've used fetchyahoo, gotmail, mrpostman, hotwayd, web2pop and
> > pywebmail(at
> > >least) so far, and I did notice that keeping up with the provides is
> > >probably the largest part of the update work.
> > >
> > >Am I the only one who sees a great idea in this ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
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