Re: on automatic gnus-summary-insert-new-articles after posting

[Robert Girault]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> Winston <wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid> writes:
>
>> Robert Girault <r@dev.null> writes:
>>> How can I 
>>>    
>>>   gnus-summary-insert-new-articles
>>>
>>> automatically after posting?  I'd like to see my articles right away in
>>> the thread without having to ``/ N'' every time I post.
>
> Oh I see, I had indeed misunderstood your question.
>
>> I don't have an answer for the question you asked, but I'll point out
>> that, in theory, articles don't necessarily appear for reading instantly
>> after you post them.  Articles to a moderated group, for example, will
>> go to the moderator for approval.  Articles to unmoderated groups may be
>> subject to input filtering, throttling, indexing for overviews, etc.,
>> such that the faster you re-check for new articles, the less likely you
>> are to find your new one.  You could work around the latter issue a bit
>> if you can do "sleep N sec, check".
>
> Right: it's unknown when the message will actually appear. I can't think
> of any better trick than a timer (or patience), but it might work better
> to do "M-g" (rescan) rather than show old articles.

I didn't think very well about it.  I think I was having the impression
that, in the case of an article I posted myself, Gnus would insert the
article because it had a copy of it (since I wrote it).  (A hack.)  And,
in the case of articles coming from the server, it would add them
because it received them from the network.

This isn't impossible: when eventually my article comes from the
network, if it does, Gnus would replace it.  But this is undesirable
indeed.  If my article doesn't ever come, as well pointed out by
Winston, I should know.

This brings me to a point I've been trying to set up Gnus for.  I'd like
to keep, for a while, a history of everything I wrote.  Saving messages
locally isn't good enough because the context is gone.  The context is
the thread.

When I enter a group, I feel lost.  I think it's slrn that I've used in
the past.  When I'd enter a news group, I'd have a clear idea of what's
happening --- which threads are growing and which are not.

Also, my way of working is to write articles, but only post them after
I've reviewed them.  I haven't yet acquired skills enough to do that
with Gnus.

I know it's possible to save them as drafts and send them later, but I'd
like to distinguish between partially written messages from messages
queued for delivery.

I've read An Introduction to Emacs Lisp and I really liked it.  I wish
there was a book on Gnus.  I'm very grateful for the Gnus manual, but I
confess that, whenever I stop to read it, I try to make the things it
advertises happen, but I fail to do so a good number of the times.  So
I'm always thinking that I need some sort of education that I don't have
in order to read the manual properly.  Has anyone ever written a book on
Gnus?