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Werner LEMBERG |
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Re: strut problem,Re: strut problem,Re: strut problem,Re: strut problem |
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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 04:46:48 +0000 (UTC) |
>>>> Why is the vertical extent of the strut ignored?
>>>
>>> Because side positioning is primarily based on (vertical)
>>> skylines, not extents.
>>
>> Thanks. What is the reasoning behind this? For me, this behaviour
>> is unexpected.
>
> By the way, this is one reason why \strut is not such a great thing
> in my opinion. I suppose that in LaTeX, {\strut abc} and {abc
> \strut} (or whatever the exact syntax is) are equivalent. In
> LilyPond, they can't be, since if you want \strut to factor into the
> skylines, its placement will be visible in the shape of the skylines
> (and consequently make a difference in the spacing).
You are correct with your LaTeX observation. However, the longer I
think about struts – even `\vspace` is nothing else than a vertical
strut! – the more I believe that there is a conceptual problem in
LilyPond: There is a 'typesetting mode' where vertical struts have an
effect (like the problem originally reported in 'lilypond-user',
starting with
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2022-11/msg00237.html),
and there are other modes without such an effect.
What about making LilyPond properly integrate (finite) struts into the
skyline? I see two advantages.
* It removes the above-described modality, which seems unnecessary to
me. If it is really necessary, it lacks an explanation in the NR.
* It would allow fine-tuning of the skyline in a simpler way than what
currently is possible. Imagine, for example, that you need some
empty space above letter 'V' of the string 'VAVA':
```
|
|
++---+
|VAVA|
```
The 'correct' solution would be to put letter 'V' into a
`\with-dimension` box or something similar [please correct me if
there is something better]. However, doing so might produce a
different output if, say, there is kerning: Pango now sees 'V' and
'AVA', and the kerning between the first 'V' and 'A' is lost, AFAIU.
The alternative would be to insert a vertical strut right before
letter 'V'.
Werner
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