Re: Reorganizing the contents of the \paper block

[Trevor Bača]

On 2/7/07, Kress, Stephen <address@hidden> wrote:
> I think Han-Wen said it himself (though he didn't realize it).
>
>  I like the idea if \paper being as you described (with just the six
> properties).

Me too. I think that greatly clears up what belongs in the \paper
block -- just stuff that has to do with the physical dimensions and
printable area of actual paper.


>  Put all the other stuff (the outside-the-score layout stuff) in a new block
> called \page-layout
>
>  Maybe, if folks get too confused between \page-layout and \layout, the
> \layout block can be moved inside the \score block since that's what it
> applies to the most.  It might also be that a \layout block that is outside
> a \score block (for the purposes of a "global" style) could be renamed to
> \score-layout.

So what do think about dividing the outside-of-score stuff into two
categories? Because it seems like maybe these two lists of settings do
different things:

list 1:
 ragged-bottom
 ragged-last-bottom
 system-count
 between-system-space
 between-system-padding
 horizontal-shift
 blank-page-force
 blank-last-page-force
 page-spacing-weight


list 2:
 first-page-number
 print-first-page-number
 print-page-number
 auto-first-page-number
 head-separation
 foot-separation
 print-all-headers (iso printallheaders)
 after-title-space
 before-title-space
 between-title-space

Right now both list 1 and list 2 will just be put together into the
outside-of-score (\paper) bucket.

But it seems that may list 1 is really concerned with the *the layout
of music on the page* whereas list 2 is concerned with *adding headers
and footers outside the music*.

So does it make sense to divide list 1 and list 2? And if so, with what names?



>  Just some q&d thoughts...
>
>  Stephen
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From:
> address@hidden
> on behalf of Trevor Baca
>  Sent: Wed 2/7/2007 12:47 PM
>  To: Han-Wen Nienhuys
>  Cc: lilypond-devel; lilypond-user
>  Subject: Re: Reorganizing the contents of the \paper block
>
>  On 2/7/07, Han-Wen Nienhuys <address@hidden> wrote:
>  > Trevor Baca escreveu:
>  > > On 2/7/07, Han-Wen Nienhuys <address@hidden> wrote:
>  > >> Trevor Baca escreveu:
>
>  > >>
>  > >> >
>  > >> > I wouldn't ask except for the fact that I've now been laying out
> score
>  > >> > very successfully with lily for going on two years and I still have
> to
>  > >> > stop and ask myself "Hmm ... I'm wanting to pad systems on the page
> so
>  > >> > that they lay out more loosely. So that concerns layout and I'll
> look
>  > >> > for settings over here in the \layout block. Oh wait. Settings for
>  > >> > system layout live in the \paper block ..."
>  > >>
>  > >> the \layout block only affects what's in a score. Page layout
> (margins,
>  > >> titles, etc) fall outside that and therefore are in the \paper block.
>  > >> Perhaps better names can be found for paper/layout; suggestions
>  > >> appreciated.
>  > >
>  > > Hmmm.
>  > >
>  > > Just thinking out loud here ... so there's an inside-of-score /
>  > > outside-of-score dichotomy going on here. I don't think I had ever
>  > > realized that ...
>  > >
>  > > So that means that ragged-right (which currently lives in \layout) is
>  > > perceived as inside-of-score, whereas ragged-bottom (which currently
>  > > lives in \paper) is outside-of-score?
>  >
>  > yes. However, \layout settings default to what is in the \paper block,
>  > so ragged-right may also be defined in the \paper{} block.
>
>  OK.
>
>  Hm. So ragged-right can live in the *\layout* block (and have
>  score-level scope). Or ragged-right can live in the *\paper* block
>  (and have file-level scope).
>
>  Would it make more sense to have the idea that ragged-right only ever
>  live in a \layout block, together with the companion idea that there
>  can be both score-level \layout blocks and also one file-level \layout
>  block?
>
>
>  --
>  Trevor Baca
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>
>  2007-02-07, 13:02:32
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