Re: Should \partial accept music instead of duration?

[Valentin Petzel]

Another idea: We could have a command like partialDuring or partialWith.

Cheers,
Valentin

Am Montag, 21. März 2022, 02:53:14 CET schrieb Flaming Hakama by Elaine:
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> > From: "Tim's Bitstream" <timmcn@bitstream.net>
> > To: Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org>
> > Cc: lilypond@hillvisions.com, dan@lyric.works, thomasmorley65@gmail.com,
> > lilypond-devel@gnu.org, lilypond-user@gnu.org
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> > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2022 12:01:25 -0500
> > Subject: Re: Should \partial accept music instead of duration?
> > 
> > > On Mar 20, 2022, at 2:24 AM, Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > What about providing a new command `\upbeat` and moving `\partial`
> > > into oblivion?  Compare this to `\tuplet` vs. `\times`.
> > 
> > Perhaps this is an American jazzism, but we would refer to those as
> > \pickup notes.
> 
> I'm not swayed by this proposal
> 
> \partial to me seems like \time
> the info being conveyed is how long the "measure" is
> and so it should not require a music expression
> 
> If you are using global with spacers, this would not be too big a deal,
> but for more casual usage with structure and notes interspersed,
> it forces you to specify a distinct musical expression
> just for the part of the phrase that happens to be before the bar,
> which seems like an awkward pattern to enforce on note entry.
> 
> 
> In terms of US English usage
> 
> "partial" means "less than whole" and is pretty clear and neutral,
> and thus I think a good name for this usage.
> 
> "partial" may also refer to a specific overtone of a note,
> (as in "E3 is the 4th partial of C1")
> but I don't think there is any confusion with this usage.
> 
> 
> "upbeat" is used a few different ways
> which makes it not such a good candidate.
> 
> It can mean the beat before the down beat,
> so in 4/4 beat 4, or in 2/4 beat 2.
> 
> But "upbeat" can also refer to subdivisions, like counting "1 and 2 and 3
> and 4 and"
> the numbers are "beats" or "on the beat" or sometimes "downbeats",
> whereas the "and"s are the upbeats.
> 
> It is further confusing in compound time as you might,
> in line with 2/4, consider the second dotted quarter in 6/8 as the upbeat.
> 
> But, if there are syncopations happening,
> you might consider the first subdivision after the downbeat as the upbeat,
> so in 6/8, subdivisions 2 and 5 would be the upbeats.
> 
> Likewise, in a 3/4 waltz you might consider beat 2 as the upbeat,
> whereas in other 3/4 contexts you might consider beat 3 as the upbeat,
> in line with how we count 4/4.
> 
> 
> "anacrusis" is a term all musicians learn, but no one ever uses,
> unless you are an academic.
> 
> It generally refers to the same thing as "pickup".
> 
> For a lilypond term it might be fine since it is basically descriptive,
> but probably less guessable than "pickup".
> 
> 
> "pickup" generally refers to notes leading into a barline.
> Whether it is singular or plural depends on the context.
> 
> If it is a single note, it is a pickup.
> Multiple notes may be either pickup as referring to the entire phrase,
> or pickups referring to each of the notes.
> 
> "Let's take it from letter B, with pickups"
> 
> 
> There is also a practice--and I'm sure there are a great many opinions
> on the wisdom of this practice, but nonetheless it exists--
> that if a pickup starts on an offbeat,
> the partial measure may include the preceding rest that occurs on the beat.
> 
> In which case, the partial measure length is not the same as the length of
> the "pickup",
> which is understood musically only as the notes played.
> 
> So, use of "pickup"/"anacrusis" to describe the length of the measure
> would not always semantically be accurate.
> 
> 
> So, I suggest we keep \partial as is
> 
> If the motivation is just to eliminate having to type a single duration,
> which typically is used at most once per piece,
> I'm really not seeing the urgency of the problem it is solving.
> 
> It seems like something that should more appropriately be syntactic sugar,
> and not change the core features, which seem appropriate to me.
> 
> 
> 
> Elaine Alt
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