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Today's Topics:
1. Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on
UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX (Knute Snortum)
2. Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on
UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX (Andrew Bernard)
3. Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on
UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX (Andrew Bernard)
4. Re: Recitative in Chant music (Vladimír Slávik)
5. Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on
UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX (Valentin Petzel)
6. Re: Recitative in Chant music (Fr. Samuel Springuel)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 17:38:03 -0700
From: Knute Snortum <ksnortum@gmail.com>
To: Kenneth Wolcott <kennethwolcott@gmail.com>
Cc: Lily Pond <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on
UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX
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On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 5:27 PM Kenneth Wolcott
<kennethwolcott@gmail.com> wrote:
HI;
This is just a tiny quibble, but the Lilypond Download web page
implies support for UNIX (which implies, at least to me,
SunOS/Solaris, HP-UX, IBM/AIX, etc), where Linux really isn't UNIX.
See attached screenshot.
Thanks,
Ken Wolcott
Linux stands for "Linux is not UNIX eXactly". ;)
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 19:54:02 +1100
From: Andrew Bernard <andrew.bernard@mailbox.org>
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on
UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX
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While we are here, it's macOS not MacOS, believe it or not.
Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS
*macOS* (/ˌmækoʊˈɛs/
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English>;^[8]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS#cite_note-8> previously *OS X* and
originally *Mac OS X*) is a Unix <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix>
operating system^[9] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS#cite_note-9>
developed and marketed by Apple Inc.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.> since 2001.
[And amusingly the Wikipedia convention for URL's forces them to have a
capital M.]
[And also, note macOS is classified as a UNIX operating system - which
it is.]
Andrew
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 19:55:41 +1100
From: Andrew Bernard <andrew.bernard@mailbox.org>
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on
UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX
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We can have a field day of fun with this topic! It's actually GNU/Linux
not Linux, something RMS never tires of pointing out. And since Lilypond
is part of the GNU project we should probably get this right.
Andrew
On 28/10/2022 11:25 am, Kenneth Wolcott wrote:
HI;
This is just a tiny quibble, but the Lilypond Download web page
implies support for UNIX (which implies, at least to me,
SunOS/Solaris, HP-UX, IBM/AIX, etc), where Linux really isn't UNIX.
See attached screenshot.
Thanks,
Ken Wolcott
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 12:06:34 +0200
From: Vladimír Slávik <slavik.vladimir@seznam.cz>
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Recitative in Chant music
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Hi Michael,
Admittedly I'm not that good with lilypond and then I'm familiar mostly
with Roman catholic music as written here (cz), but perhaps that can
help you a bit with the direction.
What I have seen done in psalms and thus do in these situations is make
the recitative note a breve. So I make the whole thing a cadenza, then
use explicit lengths for all the lyrics, and have a breve there. See
below for an example.
The one thing that is not really a given, just a convention in the
literature I have seen, is that it's a breve. You could just use another
quarter for the "long part" and the lyrics and it's all the same to
Lilypond.
Arguably typing in all the lengths for all the lyrics is a lot of work,
but personally I've found that preferable to littering the lyrics with
directives to alter lengths. I have also never (never, ever) succeeded
in making the lilypond "guessing" right for the lyrics lengths.
If you make the whole work a cadenza, you have to also mark the bar ends
manually.
To make the chord show "only at the beginning", you need to align the
lyrics left. You can do it once for each breve, but following my
approach of "not littering the data with programming", I just align
everything.
Others will perhaps help correct if there's anything wrong with this
approach? For me, it worked well this far :-)
Best,
Vladimir
\version "2.18.2"
\layout {
\context {
\Lyrics
\consists "Bar_engraver"
\consists "Separating_line_group_engraver"
\hide BarLine
\override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #LEFT
}
}
noTime = \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f
right_hand = \relative c' {
\key c \major
\clef treble
\language "deutsch"
\noTime
\autoBeamOff
\accidentalStyle forget
\cadenzaOn
c4 d4 e\breve e4 f2 f4~ e2 \bar "|"
%(...more music)
\cadenzaOff
}
words = \lyricmode {
\set stanza = "1. "
Some4 words4 "that have something real"\breve -- ly4 long2 he4 -- re.2
%(... more lyrics)
}
staff = \new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff \right_hand
\new Lyrics \words
%(...)
>>
\score {
\staff
}
Note that this is a simplified example, so might not compile as-is.
Dne 25.10.2022 v 23:45 thedoctor81877--- via LilyPond user discussion
napsal(a):
Hi,
I have another question pleae. I have typeset several Orthodox
liturgical music chant settings. Before, I would type out every
sylable of the music even where there is a "recitative" (several word
on the same chord.
However, I have a score somone had sent me, that, for the recitative
parts, prints only the chord at the beginning of the recitative, and
the chord at the end. For the exmample I was sent, only the altoWords
line.
But, I am not sure how to use this, and am working on mastering it;
and could use some help please. Here is part of what I have:
sopMusic = \relative c'' {
% Music follows here.
\set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 13/4)
g'4 g a2(b) g4 g g a b c2 \bar""
\set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 2/4)
b4 b \bar""
\set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 5/4)
a2 g2 \bar""
}
altoMusic = \relative c'' {
\set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 13/4)
d4 d fs2(g) g4 g g g g g2 \bar""
\set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 2/4)
g4 g \bar""
\set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 4/4)
fs2 d2 \bar""
}
altoWords = \lyricmode {
When the stone __ had been sealed by the Jews,
\once \override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #LEFT
while_the_soldiers_were_guar -- ding_Thy_most -- pure
\once \override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #CENTER
Bo -- dy.
\once \override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #LEFT
}
So. the recitative should have:
"While the soldiers .. most-pure"
and Bod--y for the last two half-notes. Also, I seem to have 2 extra
g4 in the alto line for the recitative.
I am not sure how to change and adress this; I have been trying to
change the underlines and such in the lyrics but to no avail.
Thanks,
Michael D
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 14:04:30 +0200
From: Valentin Petzel <valentin@petzel.at>
To: Lily Pond <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Cc: Kenneth Wolcott <kennethwolcott@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on
UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX
Message-ID: <4753411.GXAFRqVoOG@archbox>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hi Ken,
Lilypond should in fact be supported on Unix, even if no one makes the effort
to get it and all the dependencies running. But Lilypond is available on Unix-
Derivates and Unixoids (Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, macOS and you
probably would be able to get it to work on many others like Solaris or HP-
UX).
Valentin
Am Freitag, 28. Oktober 2022, 02:25:56 CEST schrieb Kenneth Wolcott:
HI;
This is just a tiny quibble, but the Lilypond Download web page
implies support for UNIX (which implies, at least to me,
SunOS/Solaris, HP-UX, IBM/AIX, etc), where Linux really isn't UNIX.
See attached screenshot.
Thanks,
Ken Wolcott
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 11:00:57 -0400
From: "Fr. Samuel Springuel" <rpspringuel@gmail.com>
To: Vladimír Slávik <slavik.vladimir@seznam.cz>
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Recitative in Chant music
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My mostly automated solution for recited notes is attached.
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Fr. Samuel, OSB
(R. Padraic Springuel)
St. Anselm’s Abbey
4501 South Dakota Ave, NE
Washington, DC, 20017
202-269-2300
(c) 202-853-7036
PAX ☧ ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ
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On Oct 28, 2022, at 6:06 AM, Vladimír Slávik <slavik.vladimir@seznam.cz> wrote:
Hi Michael,
Admittedly I'm not that good with lilypond and then I'm familiar mostly with Roman catholic music as written here (cz), but perhaps that can help you a bit with the direction.
What I have seen done in psalms and thus do in these situations is make the recitative note a breve. So I make the whole thing a cadenza, then use explicit lengths for all the lyrics, and have a breve there. See below for an example.
The one thing that is not really a given, just a convention in the literature I have seen, is that it's a breve. You could just use another quarter for the "long part" and the lyrics and it's all the same to Lilypond.
Arguably typing in all the lengths for all the lyrics is a lot of work, but personally I've found that preferable to littering the lyrics with directives to alter lengths. I have also never (never, ever) succeeded in making the lilypond "guessing" right for the lyrics lengths.
If you make the whole work a cadenza, you have to also mark the bar ends manually.
To make the chord show "only at the beginning", you need to align the lyrics left. You can do it once for each breve, but following my approach of "not littering the data with programming", I just align everything.
Others will perhaps help correct if there's anything wrong with this approach? For me, it worked well this far :-)
Best,
Vladimir
\version "2.18.2"
\layout {
\context {
\Lyrics
\consists "Bar_engraver"
\consists "Separating_line_group_engraver"
\hide BarLine
\override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #LEFT
}
}
noTime = \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f
right_hand = \relative c' {
\key c \major
\clef treble
\language "deutsch"
\noTime
\autoBeamOff
\accidentalStyle forget
\cadenzaOn
c4 d4 e\breve e4 f2 f4~ e2 \bar "|"
%(...more music)
\cadenzaOff
}
words = \lyricmode {
\set stanza = "1. "
Some4 words4 "that have something real"\breve -- ly4 long2 he4 -- re.2
%(... more lyrics)
}
staff = \new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff \right_hand
\new Lyrics \words
%(...)
>>
\score {
\staff
}
Note that this is a simplified example, so might not compile as-is.
Dne 25.10.2022 v 23:45 thedoctor81877--- via LilyPond user discussion napsal(a):
Hi,
I have another question pleae. I have typeset several Orthodox liturgical music chant settings. Before, I would type out every sylable of the music even where there is a "recitative" (several word on the same chord.
However, I have a score somone had sent me, that, for the recitative parts, prints only the chord at the beginning of the recitative, and the chord at the end. For the exmample I was sent, only the altoWords line.
But, I am not sure how to use this, and am working on mastering it; and could use some help please. Here is part of what I have:
sopMusic = \relative c'' {
% Music follows here.
\set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 13/4)
g'4 g a2(b) g4 g g a b c2 \bar""
\set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 2/4)
b4 b \bar""
\set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 5/4)
a2 g2 \bar""
}
altoMusic = \relative c'' {
\set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 13/4)
d4 d fs2(g) g4 g g g g g2 \bar""
\set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 2/4)
g4 g \bar""
\set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 4/4)
fs2 d2 \bar""
}
altoWords = \lyricmode {
When the stone __ had been sealed by the Jews,
\once \override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #LEFT
while_the_soldiers_were_guar -- ding_Thy_most -- pure
\once \override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #CENTER
Bo -- dy.
\once \override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #LEFT
}
So. the recitative should have:
"While the soldiers .. most-pure"
and Bod--y for the last two half-notes. Also, I seem to have 2 extra g4 in the alto line for the recitative.
I am not sure how to change and adress this; I have been trying to change the underlines and such in the lyrics but to no avail.
Thanks,
Michael D
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