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Re: rhel8 test failure confirmation? [PATCH for problem affecting Automa

From: Jacob Bachmeyer
Subject: Re: rhel8 test failure confirmation? [PATCH for problem affecting Automake testsuite]
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 21:54:22 -0500
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A quick introduction to the situation for the Autoconf list:

The Automake maintainers have encountered a bizarre issue with sporadic random test failures, seemingly due to "disk writes not taking effect" (as Karl Berry mentioned when starting the thread). Bogdan appears to have traced the issue to autom4te caching and offered a patch. I have attached a copy of Bogdan's patch.

Bogdan's patch is a subtle change: the cache is now considered stale unless it is /newer/ than the source files, rather than being considered stale only if the source files are newer. In short, this patch causes the cache to be considered stale if its timestamp /matches/ the source file, while it is currently considered valid if the timestamps match. I am forwarding the patch to the Autoconf list now because I concur with the change, noting that Time:HiRes is also limited by the underlying filesystem and therefore is not a "magic bullet" solution. Assuming the cache files are stale unless proven otherwise is therefore correct.

Note again that this is _Bogdan's_ patch I am forwarding unchanged. I did not write it (but I agree with it).

[further comments inline below]

Bogdan wrote:
Bogdan <>, Sun Mar 05 2023 22:31:55 GMT+0100 (Central European Standard Time)
Karl Berry <>, Sat Mar 04 2023 00:00:56 GMT+0100 (Central European Standard Time)
Note that 'config.h' is older (4 seconds) than './configure', which
     shouldn't be the case as it should get updated with new values.

Indeed. That is the same sort of thing as I was observing with nodef.
But what (at any level) could be causing that to happen?
Files just aren't getting updated as they should be.

I haven't yet tried older releases of automake to see if their tests
succeed on the systems that are failing now. That's next on my list.


Another tip, maybe: cache again. When I compare which files are newer than the only trace file I get in the failing 'backcompat2' test ('autom4te.cache/traces.0'), I see that '' is older than this file in the succeeding run, but it's newer in the failing run. This could explain why 'configure' doesn't get updated to put new values in config.h (in my case) - 'autom4te' thinks it's up-to-date.
  The root cause may be in 'autom4te', sub 'up_to_date':

   # The youngest of the cache files must be older than the oldest of
   # the dependencies.
   # FIXME: These timestamps have only 1-second resolution.
   # Time::HiRes fixes this, but assumes Perl 5.8 or later.

(lines 913-916 in my version).

This comment Bogdan cites is not correct: Time::HiRes could be installed from CPAN on Perls older than 5.8, and might be missing from a 5.8 or later installation if the distribution packager separated it into another package. Nor is Time::HiRes guaranteed to fix the issue; the infamous example is the FAT filesystem, where timestamps only have 2-second resolution. Either way, Time::HiRes is now used if available, so this "FIXME" is fixed now. :-)

Perhaps '' in the case that fails is created "not late enough" (still within 1 second) when compared to the cache, and the cached values are taken, generating the old version of 'configure' which, in turn, generates old versions of the output files.

  Still a guess, but maybe a bit more probable now.

Does it work when you add '-f' to '$AUTOCONF'? It does for me - again, about 20 sequential runs of the same set of tests and about 5 parallel with 4 threads. Zero failures. I'd probably get the same result if I did a 'rm -fr autom4te.cache' before each '$AUTOCONF' invocation.

  More input (or noise):

1) The t/ test (the only test which fails for me) is a test which modifies and calls $AUTOCONF several times.

2) Autom4te (part of Autoconf) has a 1-second resolution in checking if the input files are newer than the cache.

Maybe. That comment could be wrong; the actual "sub mtime" is in Autom4te::FileUtils. Does your version of that module use Time::HiRes? Git indicates that use of Time::HiRes was added to Autoconf at commit 3a9802d60156809c139e9b4620bf04917e143ee2 which is between the 2.72a and 2.72c snapshot tags.

3) Thus, a sequence: 'autoconf' + quickly modify + quickly run 'autoconf' may cause autom4te to use the old values from the cache instead of processing the new "Quickly" means within the same second.

It might be broader than that if your version is already using Time::HiRes. If so, what filesystems are involved? I could see a possible bug where multiple writes get the same mtime if they get flushed to disk together. Time::HiRes will not help if this happens; your patch will work around such a bug.

4) I ran the provided list of tests (t/, t/, t/, t/, t/, t/, t/, t/ in batches of 20 or more runs.

5) With the tools as they are on my system, I got a failure in the t/ test in the first batch (18th round, IIRC).

6) I modified my autom4te using the attached patch, which essentially makes the mentioned sub 'up_to_date' work as if the cache is out of date if its modtime (up to 1-second precision) is not only earlier, but also equal to the modtime of any dependencies (including

7) After modifying autom4te, I ran 120 rounds of the same set of tests in single-threaded mode, and additional 120 rounds in parallel mode (-j4). Total of 240 runs of all those 8 mentioned tests each. ZERO FAILURES.

8) I brought autom4te to its original state and started running the tests again. I got the first failure quite early (32nd run, IIRC).


  What can we do about this?

- have autom4te patched and wait for the fix to reach a release (and get installed on every possible end-user system?), and revert the sleep until this is done,

Now is a good time to submit the patch to Autoconf, noting that it seems to resolve a hard-to-find issue with the Automake testsuite, since Autoconf has recently issued a snapshot and then picked up a change I helped get into Automake to make better use of Perl's Time::HiRes, after use of Time::HiRes was upstreamed from Autoconf.

-- Jacob
--- /usr/bin/autom4te-orig      2023-03-27 13:41:04.456209706 +0200
+++ /usr/bin/autom4te   2023-03-29 18:07:26.635030065 +0200
@@ -926,7 +926,7 @@
   # We depend at least upon the arguments.
   foreach my $dep (@ARGV)
-      if ($mtime < mtime ($dep))
+      if ($mtime <= mtime ($dep))
          verb "up_to_date ($file): outdated: $dep";
          return 0;
@@ -949,7 +949,7 @@
       # timestamp of that missing file was newer).
       return 0
        if ! $dep;
-      if ($mtime < mtime ($dep))
+      if ($mtime <= mtime ($dep))
          verb "up_to_date ($file): outdated: $dep";
          return 0;

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