Re: Frameworks integration

[Quentin Mathé]

Le 28 févr. 04, à 21:58, Helge Hess a écrit :

> On 28.02.2004, at 17:38, nicolas@roard.com wrote:
>
> > Yes... I think anyway that others projects could have the same 
> > dilemna.
> > It could be perhaps better to create a "gnustep kits" project, 
> > non-gnu,
> > hosting all the kits.
>
> As far as I know (and I think I once asked RMS) there is no 
> requirement that a project called GNUxxx makes copyright assignments 
> to FSF. This is encouraged, but the only thing necessary is GPL/LGPL 
> license (in short: it must be free software).
> Someone may correct me.

Yes, that's true, but because GPL compatible license must be used, 
there is a problem with some free licenses not GPL compatible like APSL 
(used in Tryst for example).
This is why, I like the gnustep-kits idea... we wouldn't have such 
problems with it because it would be a non-gnu project.

> > It sure will be easier to host frameworks on it than
> > hosting them on main gnustep cvs and thus requiring for each a fsf 
> > copyright
> > assignment...
>
> As long as the frameworks are self contained this should be no real 
> issue.
>
> But on the other side something like skyrix-xml could be just hosted 
> in gnustep/contrib and otherwise be maintained at OGo. Just regular 
> cross-project reuse.

I like this idea... would great in my opinion to have a sort of cvs 
mirror for skyrix-xml with the others frameworks.

> Or (as long as you respect copyright), you could fork skyrix-xml into 
> gnustep-xml and we could share patches to them. Might also make sense.

It's not necessary to take this path now, but later it can make sense.

> > yet it will provide us a single entry point for useful
> > frameworks. What do you think ? it sounds to me like a good 
> > compromise.
> > [anyway that would be additionally to the real important thing to do,
> > that is, display/advertise the available frameworks on the website
> > and provide releases...]
>
> Sure. IMHO this is mostly a website thing. As long as the parts are 
> free software, it should be no problem to advertise/document 
> additional frameworks on the regular GNUstep site and provide 
> downloads in the Contrib section.
> Not sure whether its really necessary to start something separate, 
> like "GNUstep Kits".

Now, it's mostly a web site thing... but in the future when there will 
be many more default frameworks, it will be more than a simple web site 
problem : a central access point will be needed, in my opinion.

I like this idea of GNUstep kits because when I talk with non GNUstep 
aware developers (I had the same perception when I arrived one year ago 
), a recurrent problem seems to be the exploded aspect of the project : 
there are no official frameworks for many things and many of the 
possibly official frameworks are distributed over different personal 
web sites... unlike GNOME or KDE which have a central access for the 
system/desktop frameworks. The GNUstep situation isn't too dramatic now 
because there are few frameworks and the target audience is limited to 
very involved developers, but the situation will become less than ideal 
when GNUstep will become more important (more code written) and more 
exposed.

my 2c.

bye,
Quentin.

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