[Top][All Lists]

[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

Re: Bill Gates in the news: Deja vu

From: Ali Reza Hayati
Subject: Re: Bill Gates in the news: Deja vu
Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 04:29:14 +0430
User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1

Akira, I think you're confused. Let me answer your message part by part so you don't cause confusion or misunderstanding for others.

On 19/05/2021 03:38, Akira Urushibata wrote:
Reports about the personal life of Microsoft founder Bill Gates are
appearing in the mainstream media.  Some charges sound familiar -
nearly identical ones were cast upon a different person a couple
years ago.

I wonder why this is happening.  I see expressions like this:

   "Bill Gates Had Reputation for Questionable Behavior"
    - New York Times

   "... pursued women who worked for him at Microsoft and at the Bill
    and Melinda Gates Foundation, creating what were described as
    uncomfortable work environments" - NBC News

Bill Gates met Jeffrey Epstein several times.  He does not deny that
the meetings happened.  His spokesman, however, seems concerned that
the nature of these encounters is misunderstood.

This is true. However, RMS never had any encounter with Epstein for any reason and he called Epstein a serial rapist many times. The controversial comments were also not about the nature of the crimes but how they were put in words.

So while Gates may be asked about the intentions behind those meetings, RMS is clear that he never met and supported anybody n that case, what RMS did was to describe the meaning behind the words, not anything else. So there's no need to be concerned about the nature of relationship between RMS and Epstein, as there's no relationship.

One thing that has become clear is that Microsoft's board has
investigated the founder's relation with a female employee and
concluded that it had been inappropriate.

This true. However, the case, specially the hate letter, against RMS is not about RMS' relationship with any FSF employees as there were no relationship in the matter. None of the ones who "claimed" they were hurt by RMS did have relationship in the term of girlfriend/boyfriend/partner/etc. with RMS.

What was the case was that RMS asked some people out and insisted on that. Now, maybe the insisting part made them uncomfortable but that's no crime. Not for RMS, not for Gates, not for anybody.

Has the FSF board investigated the widely held claim that Richard
Stallman "defended" Jeffrey Epstein?  I don't think they have
investigated anything.  As a consequence they have allowed rumors
of their founder's "bad behavior" run out of control and cause
unnecessary confusion and damage to personal reputation.

FSF board did investigate that. So did a large members of our great community. Stallman actually never defended Epstein, he just explained the meaning behind some words. You can read those comments and emails yourself.

Bad behavior is relative. I'm comfortable with many stuff while some people even consider jokes as bad behavior. But if you want to compare Gates with Stallman, the difference is that Stallman never had any relationship with those who claim are hurt, but Gates did have relationship, as we see on news, I'm not judging or deciding anything.

I have a request: Do not do to Bill Gates what you would not like done
to yourself or Richard Stallman.  It is possible that the stories that
are recently surfacing are not true.  Do not turn your eyes away from
what may appear to be lame apology, for therein often lies the seeds
of truth.

I support this. Nobody should be punished for crime one didn't do. If Gates is innocent, he shouldn't be punished.

However, you say, and I quote, "It is possible that the stories that are recently surfacing are not true." This is a weird statement because it is not impossible. All of the claims *can* be untrue.

About the apology, if you think what RMS wrote was a lame apology, you should first prove that what was claimed against Stallman was true. I don't expect someone who didn't commit a crime to be punished or to apologize, I think you think so.

If you haven't read the claims or followed the actual story, I can suggest with every detail needed and some great articles that explain the matter.

I hope you haven't just followed some people's baseless claims and believed them without really fact checking and analyzing. Check the website I sent and please do ask if you had any question.

Best of all.

Ali Reza Hayati (
Libre culture activist and privacy advocate
PGP: 88A5 BDB7 E07C 39D0 8132 6412 DCB8 F138 B865 1771

Attachment: OpenPGP_signature
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

reply via email to

[Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread]