Re: GNU Guile community in google+

[zx spectrumgomas]

Sorry, I put the previous answer in half of the thread. A mistake.



On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, hellekin <address@hidden> wrote:
> On 12/19/2012 08:40 AM, zx spectrumgomas wrote:
>> According to I've been reading  Diaspora unfortunately does not have
>> the Communities feature.
>>
> *** Can you describe that functionality?

The "communities" of Google+. In one only account can talk many
people. For example in twitter neither can. If it was possible then I
would use twitter, not Google+.


>> I don't think anyone can deny that Diaspora shares the same philosophy as GNU
>>
> *** I didn't see any D* developer participate in important federation
> meetings lately. Maybe Free Software Activists are not to their taste.

If you say that Diaspora neither share philosophy GNU, I honestly do
not know who else you can say that if share philosophy GNU. Besides,
in these forums also recommended that I use it.

>> Here Diaspora project's director saying go away noob!:
>> https://twitter.com/spectrumgomas/status/281348200932184064
>>
> *** What does that mean? This is lacking context.

It is the same that if I had appropriated this account:
https://twitter.com/gnuguile  and official GNU guile would like to use
later. This does not occur  With a "community" account.


>> Diaspora uses Ruby, why? Because teenagers knows it.
>>
> *** Teenagers know it because it's a nice language to use. Given a
> choice between PHP and Ruby, what would you choose? Teenagers know
> Node.JS. Remember JavaScript 10 years ago, before Node and JQuery: it
> was loathed. But now that people started understanding how to use it
> (and thanks to the newer JS engines and standardization), it's become
> hip again.

I did not say that Ruby isn't a nice language, although I like most
Scheme :D . I say that it has used very well social networks.
The same is Vala and C #, I'm not saying that C# is not better, it is.
But why was it so succesful? Books, documentation. Vala can't do that.
His power should be social network.

>> Yukihiro Matsumoto has used very well social networks
>> [...]

Award with Richard Stallman using social networks. is it not interesting? :D


>> Real life doesn't work this way. Right now I'm going to keep google+
>> account. When Diaspora or other social network works
>>
> *** You keep using "social network" instead of "social network
> services". You're confusing the two. The social network is formed by the
> accumulation (over time) of human relationships. Social network
> services, or "digital tools to support social networking", enhance the
> possibilities of the social network, by making communication and
> dissemination easier, or simply: possible, when the network is large enough.

In Spanish everyone understands "redes sociales". In Spanish your
"social network" would be "comunidad". But it's the same, you have
understood  perfectly what I mean.

> In any case, you should realize that the social network of the Guile
> project is already a reality, and that it does not use G+, mostly, as I
> understand it, for philosophical reasons. Disclaimer: I'm new to this
> project and mailing-list, so I cannot talk for them ; I'm just talking
> from my point of view of free software activist, and social networking
> experience, both theoretical and practical.

>> I'll post showing this thread in which I think it is clear that
>> you are  right morally
>>
> *** If you're intending to post anything from me on G+, please don't.
> You may link to the mailing-list archive instead.


I have already done that: the link , and I will always do that.


>> I will say always in Google+ that for  good, official and reliable GNU
>> Guile answers the right place are these forums.

> *** I respect your vision, but I think "doing it right" would imply
> spending energy on making the existing environment better, rather than
> deflecting people to commercial services. Let's hope that this can help
> "recruiting" people who will help that former way.

I can't spend more energy. I'm 40 years old, family and little money.
A paradise :D.


> One thing you could do is maintain a public G+ page on GNU Guile
> pointing to the actual social network hangouts (I'm not talking of
> Google's video service, but this mailing-list, etc.), and abstain from
> posting "interesting contents" publicly there, nurturing the official
> documents instead.

I want put the link to the official forums in a prominent position on
the page but I think that it isn't possible. If anyone knows a way
that mentioned it and I will do that.

The "interesting contents" of official forums will link it. My
"interesting contents" (coming from a newbie this is laughable) I'm
not sure but I think that I will do a blog and link to google+,
identi.ca and forum blogger account if it finally becomes.
Casual conversations if it is in identi.ca, in identi.ca (In a year no
one has spoken). If it is in google+, in google+.

Here I'm talking about myself. Rest of people in google+ I can't talk.
But +/- I suppose that the same.

> I still think that taking care of a GNU Guile group on LibrePlanet would
> make all things much easier, by simply linking existing contents
> (official documentation, blog articles, source code, etc.) in a way that
> creates more sense to different audiences, including newbies.
>
> I'm convinced that the work you're going to do on G+ would have
> benefited LibrePlanet and GNU Guile much more than targeting a large
> audience in a non-privacy-respectful, and proprietary environment such
> as Google+. Note that it would be trivial to have automated status
> updates from the LibrePlanet wiki to Twitter, via Identi.ca (i.e. to use
> "a commercial broadcast service" as a mass medium, instead of a
> conversational medium.)