Re: removing unwanted accidentals

[Stephen]

I think we want Lilypond to continue to follow standard practive. If we give
users the ability to violate those rules then total novices will start
making mistakes.

I think you know that in the example you gave, a person reading the score
would just play an f sharp where you want an f natural if you suppressed the
natural. Why supply a way to suppress that natural if we also have to say
never actually do if you do not want them to play f sharp? Another way of
putting it is that you could suppress the natural in that case, just by
writing fis instead of f, that is what someone reading it would play anyway,
so what's the point?

I am saying here that automatic control of accidentals is better, given the
number of choices we already have. In this case 'forget' solved the problem.

Stephen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erik Sandberg" <address@hidden>
To: "Stephen" <address@hidden>
Cc: <address@hidden>; <address@hidden>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: removing unwanted accidentals


> On Thursday 14 April 2005 21.31, Stephen wrote:
> > Given all the options for automatic accidentals: voice, modern,
> > modern-voice, piano, no-reset, forget, and default, one of them must
> > answer
> > every situation if you take the time to learn them. I find it confusing
> > when there are multiple ways to do the same thing. I'd look carefully at
> > the current options before I wrote a new option.
> >
> > In the example, '\set Score.currentBarNumber = #1' creates the problem. I
> > don't see why the numbering is reset there other than to remove the
> > number
> > from that bar because it collides with the mark "D". There must be
> > another
> > way to suppress the bar number at that bar.
>
> It also changes the numbering of all subsequent bars. I don't know the
> author's intent in this case (I didn't write that snippet), but I guess it
> could be something like an attaca movement.
>
> > However, I fixed it by setting the accidental style to 'forget'. See?
> > there
> > is already a way to do it.
>
> There are situations where this doesn't work. E.g., in
> { \key d\major fis f }
> I can see no way to avoid displaying the natural.
>
> (this example I gave is not realistic, but the below example suggests that
> it
> may happen that you want to tweak accidentals in unexpected ways, e.g. due
> to
> other bugs)
>
> Erik
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Erik Sandberg" <address@hidden>
> > To: <address@hidden>
> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 3:53 PM
> > Subject: removing unwanted accidentals
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > There seems to be a need for a way to notate that a single note should
> > > _not_
> > > have an accidental displayed, something like a 'force-no-accidental'
> > > property.
> > >
> > > I think there was a discussion about this over a year ago, without a
> > > conclusion. Now there have been 2 or 3 (implicit) requests for it in a
> > > short
> > > time, and IMHO it's a reasonable feature.
> > >
> > > Also it looks pretty trivial to implement; may I give it a try?
> > >
> > > Erik
> > >
> > > On Sunday 10 April 2005 14.32, Karl Hammar wrote:
> > >> How do I remove the unwanted explicit flats in the next to last
> > >> measure in:
> > >>
> > >> \version "2.4.2"
> > >>
> > >> \relative c'' {
> > >>   \override Score.BarNumber  #'break-visibility =
> > >> #end-of-line-invisible
> > >>   \mark #03
> > >>   \clef treble
> > >>   \key c \minor
> > >>   a2 b |
> > >>   d1 |
> > >>   \mark #04
> > >>   \set Score.currentBarNumber = #1
> > >>   d2 es8. as,16 bes8 c |
> > >> %         ^     ^ unwanted explicit flats here
> > >>   d1
> > >> }
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >> /Karl
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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