Re: Add Code of Conduct [Another RFC or not now?]

[Karlin High]

On 2/8/2020 9:17 AM, David Kastrup wrote:
> I've proposed looking at the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines as
> something that one can point to and aim to heed.
> <https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html>.  It has
> certainly worthwhile advice.

Thanks for the link. I saw it earlier, wanted to read it later, and 
finally have. I agree with you that it's good advice.

> I don't see that an approach focused on
> providing a promise of punishment and removal will really work for the
> predominant problem we are actually dealing with.

I agree, and think my intended proposal does not focus on providing 
punishment and removal.

> I don't think it
> makes sense to promise something that one does not aim to keep, or that
> one knows by experience that one will not be able to keep in spite of
> trying.  A blind person cannot sensibly promise they'll stop overturning
> chairs.
>
> I have no problem with getting told "this is not ok".  By anyone.  And
> the less delay there is, the sooner I can try getting the overturned
> chairs up again.  Routing things through a committee is not making this
> easier.  Having a code that allows people to deduce that it is my
> behavior that is out of line and tell me so, pointing out just where
> that is the case, might help.  But the promise of penalties is something
> that will achieve nothing but frustrating both the offended parties as
> well as myself until either leaves.

Thanks for sharing. None of that seems like a basic conflict with the 
ideas I have.

In light of the 2 questions earlier, I'm registering this as responses of:

* Not opposed to all Codes of Conduct as a matter of principle, but 
deeply concerned about provisions for their enforcement.

* No proposal now, give the issue a rest

Corrections are desired if I am wrong in that.
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Karlin High
Missouri, USA