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Re: [Masterlibre-list] Proposal for a strategy for European Master on Li

From: Janis Gailis
Subject: Re: [Masterlibre-list] Proposal for a strategy for European Master on Libre Software at AUC, v2004-02-09
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:49:01 +0100
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Hi, Masterlibre people!

At the time of writing, my message was intended for the people involved in discussion on development and implementation of European Master on Libre Software (EUoLS) at the Agder University College (AUC), but the "Reply All" button is a tricky thing :)

Anyway, it is not a problem, that this message was also sent to the masterlibre-list. Please feel free to comment the issues covered there.

I provide here a short translation of the norwegian text in the message:

The "header" in norwegian was about the need to have a strategic document when representing AUC in Masterlibre initiative. I suggested a brainstorming process before making a draft of such a document and came up with some keywords or headlines and asked people to commment them.

So it goes in english until the section on "Legislative issues / regulations / strategic plans" where it is some norwegian text:

>>"Det skal utarbeides en startegisk plan for internasjonalisering ved
>>høgskolen bl.a. med utgangspunkt i anbefalingene fra referansegruppa
>>(for kvalitetsrefomen; mitt kommentar). Forslag til strategisk plan
>>legges frem for styret.... etc."

A short translation should be: "A strategic plan for internationalization should be developed based on the recommendations from the reference group (working on, so called, Quality Reform for Colleges and Universities in Norway). A proposal for a strategic plan should be presented to the AUC board... etc."

If you are interested in the content of the norwegian links listed in the message, don't hesitate to ask me for help.

Sveiciens (means "Saludos" in latvian, my mother tongue)

Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona wrote:
Hi, Janis,

I'm not sure your message was intended for the masterlibre-list, but in
case it was, please, provide a brief translation into English of the
first paragraphs, if they are relevant (I guess I get the basic idea,
but I'm not sure...).



On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 22:21, Janis Gailis wrote:

Hei, og takk for et godt innlegg, Nils!

Slik jeg forsto det, ble vi enige om å (eller kanskje rettere sagt, vi snakket om å) utforme et strategisk dokument, som kan brukes når man representerer Høgskolen i Agder i et internasjonalt fora, som, f. eks. Masterlibre samarbeidet.

Ved å ta utgangspunkt i det Nils har skrevet og i mine samtaler med Mikael, setter jeg opp en liste av overskrifter ("headlines", "keywords"), som jeg gjerne vil at dere kommenterer før jeg utformer dette strategiske dokumentet jeg nevnte ovenfor (denne meldingen ble noe lang, men jeg vil be dere å kommentere mellom linjene, slik at det blir lettere for meg å administrere dette). Dere kan selvfølgelig legge til flere overskrifter. Som et utgangspunkt foreslår jeg disse overskrifter:

- Questions to be answered (just ad hoc by me)
- Proposed scenarios (for implementation of subjects related to European Master on Libre Software (EMoLS)
- Funding
- Legislative issues / regulations / strategic plans
- Interesting? (smth I found during my research / surfing)

*** Questions to be answered?

Are there some surveys, reports or other "convincing" material about demand in market for this type of competence? (Nils have provided the results from our survey and I have some material too, please provide more)

What the prerequisits should be? (should the students with non-ICT background be able to apply)

Technical requirements to realize the studies? Is this important in this phase?

What kind of tasks (profession) an EMoLS should be able to realize?

Comment (Janis):
One thing is clear, we are talking about highly multidisciplinary (at least in the traditional taxonomy of academic disciplines) studies here. Does smbd knows about the similar cases that are implemented?

*** Proposed scenarios

SCENARIO 1: Subjects from EMoLS given as electives inside the existing master programs in Kristiansand (ISMASTER 2003, Informasjonssystemer, mastergradsstudium, se program for start høsten 2003, in Grimstad (IKTMASTER 2003, master i teknologi i IKT, toårig påbyggingsstudium, se start høsten 2003, )

SCENARIO 2: Changes of the core subjects of the existing master programs at AUC (ISMASTER (2003) and IKTMASTER (2003)) so the essential subjects from EMoLS are covered.

SCENARIO 3: EMoLS related courses given at sommertime (sommer school concept).

SCENARIO 4: Application for EMoLS as an independent master degree.


*** Funding

Question about how to fund the EMoLS has been raised in several forums, such as Masterlibre mail-list and meeting for Center For Open Source (CFOS) at Agder University College (AUC). How we at AUC should act to obtain fundig for EMoLS? I propose some actions, and you people, please comment those and add new ones.

ACTION 1: We work for an application for funding from Erasmus Mundus program in the cooperation with other universities and university colleges involved.

ACTION 2: We are doing research on possible fundings ourselves, based on our national and international contacts (as proposed in CFOS's meeting 2004-01-21: Senter for internasjonalisering av høgre utdanning (SIU), Norwegian governmental institutions, companies such as Biblioteksystemer as, Linpro, NextNet, others ???).

ACTION 3: We are working on proposal for use of some "internal" (at AUC) resources for the realization of a complete or partly program for EMoLS (see proposed scenarios)

General comment (Janis):
I think we should put the emphasis on the work for an application for an independent program for EMoLS. To succeed, we have to use the bureaucratic system first at AUC, then at higher levels, if necessary. Our main objective should be to get the EMoLS accepted as a legal master degree at AUC.

*** Legislative issues / regulations / strategic plans

Bologna declaration of course is a nice "thing", but, I am afraid that the realization of the ideas described there is a quite different issue. I think that we should try to find out what have been done regarding Bologna declaration at HiA and at the national level (Universitets- og Høgskolerådet, other bureaucratic orgs ??? please suggest).

Here is that I found after looking half an hour on AUC's site:

ECTS credits and grades at AUC
As we see here, we can actually give courses of 5 ECTS credits.

Degrees offered by AUC:

As speaking about our possibilities to go for an independent master program for EMoLS accepted by AUC, I found an "styrevedtak" from meeting in the AUC's board at 19th of June 2002 ( on Internationalisation. Se in "vedtak 3":

"Det skal utarbeides en startegisk plan for internasjonalisering ved høgskolen bl.a. med utgangspunkt i anbefalingene fra referansegruppa (for kvalitetsrefomen; mitt kommentar). Forslag til strategisk plan legges frem for styret.... etc."

I would like to find this "strategisk plan" here in the system. Maybe it can be used to get smth. happen here, I don't know. A person that seems to be important in the internationalization process at AUC is ECTS Institutional Coordinator Svein Arild Pedersen. I'll speak with him. Maybe you, Calle and Stein, do know smth about "strategisk plan for internajonalisering"?

I provide links to documents related to "Universitets- og Høgskolerådet" describing the policy about giving master degrees of 90 ECTS credits (one of the question raised at our meeting in Grimstad 2004-02-04):

I think we should raise a question to the "Universitets- og Høgskolerådet" and/or SIU about how to proceed in this situation. I can contact the SIU; does someone of you have some relationship to the "Universitets- og Høgskolerådet"?

*** Interesting?

Seminar in Brussels, 2004-03-12, "The seminar will provide the latest information on, and analysis of, the Bologna and Lisbon Processes, as well as on the reform of Socrates and Leonardo currently in the planning, as well as on the just-adopted Erasmus Mundus Programme."

Please take some time and give me feedback asap!


Nils Ulltveit-Moe wrote:

Hi Jesus

We discussed the Master in Libre Software in a meeting at HIA in
Norway last Wednesday, and we still have a way to go until management
at the University College is convinced, and funding was one of the
objections. If this could be done via Erasmus Mundus, then this is
really good news!
Most other objections were practical matters, like how to deal with
different study terms The Nordic countries have two course termins - the first
starts in August and ends at Christmas, and the second starts in
January and ends in June. This is maybe different to your course
termins? Other objections were that the Masterlibre course had more,
and smaller subjects on 3-4 credits, whereas HIA try to standardise on
10 credit subjects. Another practical issue, is that for now, it would
be easier to work in subjects from the Masterlibre course into
existing Master studies in ICT than getting another Master degree accepted by
the authorities. To work the courses into our modules might mean
sequencing a string of courses into one module.
Getting the Master in Libre Software accepted would take more time
than adjusting existing courses, but if the Master study was accepted as
it is presented here, then many of the practical issues may be less
We did a poll during Installuken2004, which is a local Linux and Open
Source conference about the interest for an International Master study
in Open Source. The students could choose from 1 (least interesting)
to 6 (most interesting). We also added some other subjects, and polled
some other factors, like the interest for international students
exchange. We got 20 replies, and one company that wanted to support us.

The results are:

5,6     Security        
5,35    Master thesis   
5,3     Courses given by famous, international experts  
5       System administration   
5       Configuration management, version control and cooperation       
4,95    Advanced project development    
4,95    General experiences related to libre software (multidiciplinary)
4,95    Possibility to take the course via distance learning    
4,95    Development environment and tools       
4,9     Standards (e.g. HTTP, XML or video formats)     
4,9     International student exchange  
4,9     Programming languages and language theory       
4,85    Software architecture and software engineering  
4,8     Advanced operating system theory        
4,75    Introduction to Open Source software    
4,65    Case studies (analysis of Open Source projects, companies,
organisations.) 4,65 Project management of collaborative Open Source projects
4,63    Web systems     
4,58    Embedded systems        
4,58    Possibility to take intensive courses at other universities     
4,55    Legal matters, licences, legislation, intellectual rights       
4,5     Database systems, database architecture 
4,5     Compiler systems        
4,45    Distributed systems     
4,3     Office system architecture, standards and programming   
4,25    Distributed course with IT semesters in Grimstad and IS
semesters in Kristiansand. 4,1 Economy and business models
4       Sociology and ethics  motivation, organisations etc.    
3,95    Multimedia      
3,55    Mathematical tools      

Conclusion: All subjects are more than average interesting for the
students. The students attending the conference were mostly computer
engineering students, so they seem to prefer the techical aspects to
business, economy, law, sociology and math. However, since we advertised
with Linux in developing countries in a newspaper ad for the
arrangement, we actually got some women attending that came for that
sole reason, so focusing on the right subjects may recruit more women
to technical studies. As another side note, we have already got our
first student, a Danish man, provided that we get the course up and
We will also like to suggest some new subjects for the Master in Libre

- Open Source in e-government and development aid.
- Mobile Systems based on Open Source.

Nils Ulltveit-Moe

"Jesus M. " Gonzalez-Barahona writes:
> Hi,
> > I've been exploring some opportunities for helping to fund the master
> program. In addition to institutions and companies which could be
> interested in it, there is a rather interesting program which the EC is
> (probably) starting in a couple of months: Erasmus Mundus. See
> > > > > > In my opinion, this program seems to be written exactly for a master
> like ours. I've been told that first call will be probably launched in
> late March.
> > In addition, there are some programs related to Socrates which could be
> interested in our "mixed" learning activities (partly in-place, partly
> distance). I'll give you more info about this when I have something more
> detailed.
> > In case some of you is familiar with these (or other suitable) programs,
> let me know. In case some of you want to help to find opportunities for
> financing, please go ahead. > > Saludos, > > Jesus. > > -- > Contribute to keep Europe free of software patents!
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