Re: [RP] ... --solved (with my workspace scripts) -Phuk!

[TBlittlefoot]

On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 11:11:32AM +0200, Peter Pentchev wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 09:59:23PM -0800, TBlittlefoot wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:37:15AM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> > > >>>>> "TBlittlefoot" == TBlittlefoot  <address@hidden> writes:
> > > 
> > >     TBlittlefoot> What a piece of shit operating system. Don't know OS
> > >     TBlittlefoot> X or Cygwin or Fink at all, but you've given me
> > >     TBlittlefoot> enough information to allow me to forego wasting any
> > >     TBlittlefoot> time with them.
> > > 
> > > My experience with Mac OS X is it is similar to Microsoft Windows,
> > > except it has had OpenGL support in the desktop longer (is this a good
> > > thing?), the menu appears at the top of the screen not the top of the
> > > window (I dislike this), and windows can only be resized at the bottom
> > > right corner (to the best of my knowledge).
> > > 
> > > cygwin has an X server, that is full screen only (to the best of my
> > > knowledge), so presumably you can run ratpoison within that if you
> > > really want to.
> > > 
> > > There is also Xming <http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/> which
> > > allows mixing X-Windows with MS-Windows.
> > > 
> > > Nothing beats Linux+Xorg+ratpoison IMHO, but at least options are
> > > there if you have to use Microsoft Windows or Mac OS X.
> > > 
> > > To be fair, there is a advantage to the Microsoft Windows and Mac OS X
> > > approach - a standard window manager on all computers that doesn't
> > > confuse the hell out of the system administrator when asked to debug
> > > an unrelated problem over the phone of a desktop computer run by a
> > > user who doesn't know what they are doing.
> > 
> > Actually, Brian, I don't think those OSes have window managers. Certainly
> > Windows doesn't. It's all one piece. No seperate X server, window manager,
> > desktop environment. A bloated and convoluted nightmare. 
> 
> Of course they do have a window manager - that is, there is a part of
> what the users perceive as "the one-piece GUI/OS" that specifically takes
> care of mapping window-level requests from the application to bitmap-
> and line-drawing level requests to the low-level graphics subsystem.
> It's just that *from the user's point of view* it is not clearly
> separated from the rest of the GUI.

Hi Peter. Got to disagree with you. M$ may have _some_  window manager 
functionality,
integretaed into its GUI (how could it not?), but it doesn't have a window 
manager, 
which is a discrete application that can be uninstalled without effecting the 
rest
of the GUI.

Tom