Re: [GNU/consensus] [SocialSwarm-D] Zooko's Triangle

[Klaus Wuestefeld]

People wont authenticate multiple facets, will they?

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Melvin Carvalho
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> On 25 July 2013 19:11, Klaus Wuestefeld <address@hidden> wrote:
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>> I'm 100% with Marco. Forget friendly identifiers. Tor is already
>> playing with fire making its keys that short.
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>> Things will only get worse. With the advent of quantum computing we
>> are looking at public keys in the order of megabytes.
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>> We will all learn to keep address books like our grandmothers did for
>> unfriendly six digit phone numbers and street addresses.
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>> No big deal.
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> Yes, this is true, but zooko's triangle only applies to a single string
> identity.
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> In practice, identity is an OBJECT with facets.  So you can have an email, a
> telephone, a real name, a public key, or whatever you want.  In most cases
> there's no need to disambiguate, or even to remember anything.  This is
> exactly how facebook does it, and it works perfectly.  It's only when you
> pick ONE facet, and disallow all others that zooko's triangle comes into
> play.
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> tl;dr this is only a problem for identifier overloading -- make identity a
> multi faceted object and have the best of all worlds
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>> Klaus
>> http://sneer.me
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>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Michael Rogers
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>> > On 25/07/13 11:10, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>> >> I think maybe what you are getting at is that you think using
>> >> address@hidden as the single identifier for a lot of different things
>> >> (email, chat, files, voip, social, etc) is a really bad idea. You
>> >> don't have to like it, but address@hidden is still the most commonly
>> >> used identifier there is. To embrace it is hardly being intolerant,
>> >> it is just being practical and backward compatible.
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>> >>
>> >> Embracing email as part of a holistic identity strategy could be
>> >> practical.  But if it's using email as the 'one identity to rule
>> >> them all' -- it's going to be fractured by nature.
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>> > I don't think the suggestion is to use email addresses as universal
>> > identifiers, but simply to use the address@hidden format, which is
>> > memorisable, easily recognised, and clearly represents the
>> > user/service provider relationship.
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>> > However, using one format for multiple services is confusing - already
>> > I can't put my Jabber ID on my business card without explaining that
>> > it's not an email address. Perhaps it would be appropriate to use
>> > different separators for different services - user#domain,
>> > user*domain, etc?
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>> > Cheers,
>> > Michael
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