Re: Kickstarter was not successful... but it did help things...

[Doc O'Leary]

In article <mailman.9767.1387538910.10748.discuss-gnustep@gnu.org>,
 David Chisnall <theraven@sucs.org> wrote:

> Leadership requires followers.

No, it doesn't.  It simply requires a person to take a stand despite the 
risk of being wrong.  That's also at the heart of the scientific method.  
I'm a scientist; are you not?  If you want a cult of blind leaders and 
even blinder followers, go start a religion.

> Gregory can put on his GNUstep Maintainer hat 
> and say 'we should implement UIKit', but it has no effect unless someone 
> actually does the work.  Implementing UIKit is more work than one person can 
> do by themselves.

Again with the stupid rush to implement things . . .

Here's a radical idea: why not actually evaluate the goal first?  Before 
throwing people at the problem, figure out what good reason there was 
(if any) for Apple to go UIKit for mobile development instead of just 
expanding the AppKit API.  Perhaps the right thing to do for GNUstep 
doesn't involve *any* coders.

> Talk on a mailing list is cheap.

And yet so much more valuable than aimless code.

> If you're complaining that no one else is, then 
> you're not contributing anything useful.

Nonsense.  Only a fool thinks that more monkeys sitting at typewriters 
is the way to get better books.  If you sincerely don't see the point of 
debating the correctness of an approach, my opinion of FreeBSD is 
greatly reduced.

> Open source projects are not created for users, they're created for 
> contributors.

More rubbish.  Or, rather, incredibly sad if true.  I mean, who exactly 
are you being "open" to if you're all being that selfishly insular?  Is 
this seriously the thinking behind FreeBSD?

> Contributors may be ones who donate code, artwork, 
> documentation, or money.

If that's the direction GNUstep chooses to go, that is not a cult I want 
to be part of *ever*.  I take too much joy in seeing regular people 
benefit from my work.

> If you want to set 
> an agenda for ANY open source project, you need to contribute.  

Whereas I would start with having, you know, a smart agenda in the first 
place.  I continue to be amazed by the lack of scientific thinking being 
expressed by people I would assume are trained computer scientists.

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