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Re: with-pgtk: C-; turns into plain ';'


From: T.V Raman
Subject: Re: with-pgtk: C-; turns into plain ';'
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:16:58 -0800
User-agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux)

Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> writes:

More importantly, that this difference only showed up recently makes me
still want to call it a bug --- not a "Xis old and broken go away if it
doesn't work" view-point.

> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org,  raman@google.com
>>> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:45:45 +0800
>>> 
>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>>> 
>>> > Should this be in NEWS (and perhaps also in PROBLEMS)?
>>> 
>>> The NEWS entry seems fine (it already mentions that it's for Wayland and
>>> Broadway)
>>
>> IMNSHO, not explicitly enough:
>>
>>   ** Emacs now supports being built with pure GTK.
>>   To use this option, make sure the GTK 3 and Cairo development files
>>   are installed, and configure Emacs with the option '--with-pgtk'.
>>   Unlike the default X and GTK build, the resulting Emacs binary will
>>   work on any underlying window system supported by GDK, such as
>>   Wayland and Broadway.
>>
>> No matter how many times I re-read this, I fail to understand that it
>> tells me not to use it on X, and it definitely doesn't warn me of any
>> downsides if I do.  A word of warning is definitely in order there.
>
> Yes, I would agree. 
>
> This is likely going to be problematic. A number of GNU Linux distros
> are now defaulting to Wayland (e.g. fedora) and others have flagged
> tgheir intention to follow suit (Ubuntu, Debian). 
>
> Where this could become problematic is if distro maintainers don't
> realise there are downsides with a pgtk build under X. In this
> situation, they are likely to only bundle a pgtk and non-GUI versions
> rather than a pgtk, X and non-GUI versions. 
>
> If we make the issues associated with pgtk, X and input methods
> explicit, distributions which want to support wayland and X will be more
> likely to include both wayland (pgtk) and X binary packages. 
>
> As distributions which do support wayland typically also make it easy to
> select/switch desktop environments, it is probably also important users
> are aware of the input method issues with pgtk under X as it means that
> when they switch from wayland to X, they also need to know to switch
> which build of Emacs they run. Failure to adequately communicate this
> will likely result in numerous unresolvable bug reports. 
>

-- 

Thanks,

--Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research)
?7?4 Id: kg:/m/0285kf1  ?0?8



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