Re: Problem with partial

[Juergen Reuter]

Ah, ok; I understand.  Still, I think that using \partial in this 
situation is kind of abuse that accidentally works.  I guess the real 
problem here is that lily models repeat signs as bar lines; but I am also 
wondering how a repeat sign should actually look like, if it does not 
coincide with the bound of a bar (it probably should not consist of a 
vertical line)...

Greetings,
Juergen

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Mats Bengtsson wrote:

> One common example where people today use it in the middle of a score is 
> repeats, where the repeat sign is in the middle of a bar
> (especially in combination with prima/secunda volta). Currently, LilyPond 
> doesn't automatically take this into account. Of course, the best solution in 
> this situation would be if LilyPond treated the measure position correctly 
> for repeats.
>
>  /Mats
>
> Quoting Juergen Reuter <address@hidden>:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > please note that \partial or \upbeat, whatever you call it, has 
> > musicologically a special meaning: the first, incomplete bar, and the last 
> > bar of a piece or of a major section of a piece (typically the bar before 
> > the next "||" bar glyph) should sum up to a complete bar.
> >
> > For example, if a song with 4/4 meter starts with "\partial 4 f4", the last 
> > bar should, by convention, have a total length of 3 quarter notes. Having 
> > said that, you never should use "\partial" or "\upbeat" somewhere within a 
> > piece.  If lily nevertheless accepts it within a piece without issuing an 
> > error or warning, I consider this a bug.
> >
> > Having a bar within a piece that differs in length from the foreassigned 
> > meter is a different concept.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Juergen
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Graham Percival wrote:
> >
> > > Erik Sandberg wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 05 July 2006 17:54, Graham Percival wrote:
> > > > > IMO, \partial is just fine.  If there's some confusion, by all means we
> > > > > can clarify the docs.  As always, I gratefully accept any specific
> > > > > recommendations for doc changes.
> > > >
> > > > IMHO using \partial in the middle of a bar is confusing; I think there 
> > > > should be some other command that sets the length of an individual bar. 
> > > > Do you think it would make sense to invent such a command?
> > >
> > > I'd rather keep the behavior of \partial -- ie "add an extra X duration to 
> > > this bar", rather than "this bar should have X duration".  That said, I 
> > > suppose we could rename \partial to \addTime or something like that. I 
> > > don't think that \upbeat is appropriate, but we could find some other 
> > > name.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > - Graham
> > >
> > >
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