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From: Chris Gough
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Re : PAPARAZZI UAV ON PIXHAWK TEASER
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 07:58:34 +0930

APM/Ardupilot and 3DR are going through some kind of divorce at the moment. 
It's quite possible that commercial bias will fade quickly from that community.

Chris Gough

> On 4 Mar 2016, at 7:16 AM, David Conger <address@hidden> wrote:
> Interesting, I just read the DIY posts.
> My first reaction though is not a surprise. Ardupilot people are
> easily upset and predominately Americans who are easily upset. As an
> American who has traveled extensively I see it very clearly now.
> Having met the TUDelft people personally I know they would have no
> intention of posting anything in a way to upset anyone. I'm taken back
> really the depths the mob came out to burn the orig. poster at the
> stake for the well intended but badly translated message.
> I have been burned many times at the stake by the same mob over the
> years since 2007. The posts that were not deleted off DIYDrones site
> remain on site. Anything critical, even implied via the
> reader not writer, is attacked with venom. Just their way. I don't
> judge them as bad I only know you must handle them with extreme care.
> I will say, even offer, that English is my first language and I have
> been at this since 2007 watching and interacting with all the major
> players online. I know this group well from personal experiences. On
> RCGroups from the very top of 3DR and DIY they monitor the threads and
> redirect all new posters over to DIY websites where the content is
> strictly controlled to be pro Ardupilot and 3DR.
> If the mob had turned against DIY or 3DR the thread would be quickly
> closed, content removed/edited. There's a long history of that there.
> It is why I really hesitate to go there or post there. RCGroups is a
> much friendlier place to have non-3DR non-Ardupilot related discussion
> but just expect the usual redirection posts saying to go to DIYDrones
> site by those monitoring and wanting more business driven over to
> there. It gets hostile there also but it's a lot better than DIY.
> The bigger question to be asked I think is why do we continue to want
> the blessing of DIY? By every measure I think matters Paparazzi
> Project is a huge global success. So why would something so obviously
> successful on every measure other than financial to go there to
> interact with them? I encourage everyone in the developer's list to
> realize this success requires no affirmation from that mob. The only
> place financial success is glorified is in America and nothing
> reinforces that like what you see happen in that post. There is a
> saying, belief in America that the only truly sacred thing is someones
> financial position. Never attack someones paycheck or ability to grow
> theirs. When an American feels that threatened look out.
> Why do I write this?  Well, same reason I am still here. Why I still
> would hand solder Paparazzi hardware in quantities of 1,2,3 or so for
> zero profit. Because I do not need affirmation from anyone it's the
> right thing to do or that I'm a success measured in dollars. I feel
> very successful to still offer myself and Paparazzi hardware to anyone
> even if they only want a single one. PPZUAV (my company) is
> self-funded and always will be. Sure, once a long time ago there was
> that window of opportunity before DIY corporation was born but I have
> no regrets keeping PPZUAV completely under my control and financially
> independent. I have zero debt. I always have, personally and the
> company.
> I want never at any time to make choices aimed only at financial gain
> or ego. I see the mess it causes and how financial success is an empty
> path unless it is found by accident or as a secondary unintended
> consequence of just being very good at what you do. Meaning to be
> financially successful simply by doing what is correct and right
> morally and for the planet is a very good thing and I endorse it
> completely. However, to have a company created only to make a profit
> is a difficult path with much peril for those who walk it. I make no
> condemnation of anyone doing it.
> In my eyes the core that started Paparazzi is still alive as a
> separate thing that has no consideration for monetary gain. Everyone
> who does Paparazzi should have another source of income to keep this
> separation. Paparazzi by just existing still after all these years is
> the truest form of affirmation. I really encourage all involved to
> think hard about real success and focus on encouraging each other and
> helping each other because no one from 3DR or DIY will ever seem to
> change. I just had a friend tell me they read in WIred Magazine that a
> person we all know claims they invented the drone not
> Al Gore but you're getting warm. ;)
> The best way to grow Paparazzi is to continue doing what you do and
> know that success matters in what you do not what you say or how much
> profit you make doing it. This is to me a wonderful chance to stop and
> look at each other, smile and be happy we have each other and look to
> so many more years of success in research, sciences, and thing that
> matter for the planet that needs us more than ever right now. Do not
> seek anything from DIY crowd as it's an empty path to join or be a
> part of something that measures success purely as units sold and
> dollars made.
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 9:28 AM, address@hidden
> <address@hidden> wrote:
>> Strange post. Seems to come from Delft, did someone get into contact with
>> them? If we make a global reply, you can add my name to the signing if
>> needed. Unfortunately I don't have much internet access time.
>> Gautier
>> Envoyé depuis mon mobile Orange
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> De : "Alexandre Bustico" <address@hidden>
>> Pour : "Paparazzi UAV devel list" <address@hidden>
>> Objet : [Paparazzi-devel] PAPARAZZI UAV ON PIXHAWK TEASER
>> Date : mer., mars 2, 2016 15:43
>> Le 02/03/2016 15:38, Felix Ruess a écrit :
>> Definitely not endorsed by myself...
>> It really shouldn't say "The Paparazzi dev team" as it doesn't reflect the
>> view of every dev member/contributor, certainly not mine!
>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Martin Mueller <address@hidden> wrote:
>>> Nice to see support for Pixhawk
>>> But why advertise it so aggressively, almost dumb? Who wrote that, why
>>> does it
>>> say "The Paparazzi dev team"?
>>> _
>> Probably written after to many hours or days without sleeping, giving some
>> excuse to the one who post.
>> Anyway, we probably, as a team, apologize for this aggressive post which
>> deserve us...
>> --
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