Re: Is GNUstep Examples maintained?

[Sebastian Reitenbach]

On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 08:42 CEST, David Chisnall <theraven@sucs.org> 
wrote: 
 
> 
> On 21 Aug 2013, at 07:12, "Sebastian Reitenbach" 
> <sebastia@l00-bugdead-prods.de> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 22:05 CEST, David Chisnall <theraven@sucs.org> 
> > wrote: 
> > 
> >> On 20 Aug 2013, at 20:30, Riccardo Mottola <riccardo.mottola@libero.it> 
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>> David Chisnall wrote:
> >>>> We currently publish this:
> >>>> 
> >>>> http://www.gnustep.org/experience/examples.html
> >>>> 
> >>>> But it doesn't seem to build anymore.  There's no link to the repository 
> >>>> in the web page, and I can't find it in svn.  Is anyone planning or 
> >>>> updating it, or should I just delete the FreeBSD port of it?
> >>>> 
> >>> wait, inside the example there is Ink :) GFractal and GPuzzle work for me 
> >>> too, I remember updating the latter, IIRC. GSTest compiled and worked no 
> >>> longer than 2 weeks ago.
> >>> 
> >>> I'll try, but if you can give what's wrong at your place we can keep them 
> >>> from bittrotting (which would be good, even if you don't want the FreeBSD 
> >>> package, potential user want working examples, broken ones are of no 
> >>> good).
> >> 
> >> The errors I was hitting were in CalcBrain.m, which is doing the pre-NeXT 
> >> thing of declaring instance variables inside @implementation contexts, 
> >> which is now allowed in the non-fragile ABI for declaring private ivars 
> >> and so results in an error with things being declared twice.
> > 
> > This CalcBrain.m problem is fixed in SVN, the rest is compiling fine.
> 
> Great!  Now we just need a release...
> 
> >> I think some of this stuff may have been fixed in svn, but there's been no 
> >> release.  This is true of a great many things that we are shipping, in 
> >> fact.  Most of the things on the downloads page on the GNUstep web site 
> >> don't actually build with the latest GNUstep release, which is quite 
> >> embarrassing.
> > 
> > Yeah, that's also stopped me in the past to upgrade the GNUstep ports [1] 
> > in OpenBSD to use clang/libobjc2 with non-fragile-abi. 
> > Over the time, most of the the GNUstep ports in the ports tree build with 
> > the new setup. The only remaining problems I have:
> > * gnustep-examples (fixed in svn, but no new release)
> > * matharray (from gnustep-non-fsf, non-fragile-abi problems, fixed in svn, 
> > but no new release)
> > * PDFKit (GAP, but this is marked as broken since xpdf upgrade to 2.03 
> > anyways, so no real issue for me, but we're just discussing it with 
> > Riccardo and Richard Stonehouse)
> > * www/sope [2] , www/sogo [3] (using lots of old and deprecated functions, 
> > see my bug reports, this is not fixed yet)
> 
> The Performance framework also doesn't build with the latest release of 
> GNUstep, and we have at least one consumer of it in the ports tree.

Doh! Maybe I did my tests with performance from SVN, and did forgot about it, 
but I'm fairly sure then that SVN version works.

> 
> > To upgrade the OpenBSD ports tree to use clang/libobjc2 with 
> > non-fragile-abi, I could mark gnustep-examples and matharray as broken, but 
> > I don't want to do that with www/sope and www/sogo. There are too many 
> > people out there having SOGo instances deployed in production on OpenBSD, I 
> > don't want to make them angry ;)
> > 
> >> From the sogo mailing list I know that there are some people working on a 
> >> FreeBSD port for it. When you change to use clang/libobjc2 they will run 
> >> into the same trouble like me on OpenBSD.
> > I can look up their e-mail addresses from the m/l if you want to get in 
> > contact with them, if you aren't already.
> > Note that the patches to sope/sogo bug reports I had attached there, break 
> > heavily. I have a better patch for sogo, but not yet uploaded, but sope is 
> > more complicated to me.
> 
> I did have SOGo building on FreeBSD with the non-fragile ABI about a year ago 
> and I sent back the patches.  I don't know what the current status is.

Do you still have the patches around and could send them to me privately? I 
could test those on my OpenBSD box against the latest releases of sope/sogo. In 
case they did not made it into their repository, I'd attach then them to the 
bug reports I have opened there.

thanks,
Sebastian

> 
> David
> 
> -- Sent from my PDP-11
>