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Re: List posting rules

From: Marcel
Subject: Re: List posting rules
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 04:08:36 +0700
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On 11/3/19 2:01 AM, Carlos O'Donell wrote:

> I agree that I likely exhibit bias, to that end we have invited others
> to moderate.

It is not a problem to be solved by the number of censors; censorship
will always be abused by the censors, however many choose to participate.

Pre-moderation is a euphemism for censorship and it deserves a place in
RMS's personal anti-glossary and in the dustbin of reactionary history.

> I don't see why I should not be a moderator. Everyone has some kind of
> bias. Moderation is a difficult task.

Censorship, if used at all, should be used for extremely serious cases,
not to suit the personal agenda of the censors. Sadly--and you can open
a history book and let it be the judge--it has often been used by petty

To paraphrase Landier's 1997 essay on Internet censorship as written on
Wikipedia's page on censorship:

"...those who impose censorship must consider what they censor to be
true, as individuals believing themselves to be correct would welcome
the opportunity to disprove those with opposing views."

> I have indicated to Marcel that if he wishes to repost messages for
> review that the moderators (4 of us) are willing to review it again.

You censored twelve of my messages.

Indeed, you wrote me on 10/31/19 10:43am -0400 to say:

"Please feel free to repost any messages your believe should not have
been rejected. After this, I responded at 10/31/19, 11:18 PM +0700 with
version two of my response to Sandra. It was rejected."

My messages continued to be rejected after this, including version two,
and later version three of my response to Sandra, which is the version
posted by Dora, which you refer to in your post.

> I have seen one repost by Marcel that was unkind, particularly with
> his displeasure at being moderated.

I invite you to post _ALL_ my censored messages in chronological order,
together with your boilerplate rejection messages for each, and let the
members of this list judge for themselves.

You are also welcome to post _ALL_ private e-mails I sent the list owner
address, as well as to Mark Weilaard and you both, asking you to tell me
how my messages were unacceptable to the list, so I could censor myself
and make them acceptable (something I cringe to even think I offered to

My messages are still unanswered. I still have not been given the right
of reply to Sandra's post.

There was indeed one message that was unkind to you both, one of the
very last if memory serves me right, it included the unkind text:
"censorship is the refuge of mediocre minds". I stand by my words.

You and your fellow censor not only systematically silenced dissent in
this mailing list, you lied and continue to lie about it. Shame on you
both sir.

> Cheers,
> Carlos.

Yours in freedom,

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