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Re: Tremolo positioning


From: Joshua Parmenter
Subject: Re: Tremolo positioning
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:26:29 -0800

I'll do this tonight (when I'm home with my scanner).

Looking over some older scores, I definitely see examples like the one sent earlier... but over 10 years of typesetting, most current style sheets (if memory serves me correctly) specify slanted tremolos. I'll actually see if I can dig up the Durand style sheet (the one I've seen most recently) and see if ti specifies.

Best,

Josh

On Mar 29, 2006, at 12:20 AM, Joe Neeman wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:39, Joshua Parmenter wrote:
This is described in Matt Stone's book "Music Notation in the 20th
Century" (not just 20th century music notation, but the practices of
notation in the 20th century):

"The tremolo bars should be thinner than beams, and as long or a
little longer than the width of a note-head
On beamed notes, the tremolo bars usually slant sightly more than the
beams
Note that the tremolo bars always slant upward, regardless of beam-
slant"

Mostly, you want to avoid them looking like beams that didn't print
correctly... so, avoiding tremolos parallel to the beams is of
importance. When the beams are at the same angle that the tremolos
would be, then the tremolos are adjusted slightly to avoid this.

I can scan the page tonight if that would help.
I think it would be most helpful if you could find a printed example of music that shows this -- regardless of what Matt Stone says, I don't think I have ever seen a tremolo slanted in the opposite direction of a beam. He must cite
some references -- maybe you can find an example there.

One of my previous examples was the Bartok solo violin sonata (which couldn't have been typeset before 1947) and it has downward slanting tremolos on downward slanting beams (parallel to the beam). I just picked up a Kalmus
edition of Ravel Introduction and Allegro (Violin 2), typeset at the
beginning of the 20th century, and it also has tremolos parallel to beams
even when beams slant downward.

Slightly unrelated, but now that you have me peering closely at tremolo flags... all the examples I have on hand have rectangular tremolo flags on beamed notes and parallelogram tremolo flags (what we do now) on unbeamed notes. Also the flags on beamed notes are much shorter than on unbeamed notes
(about 60-70% the width).

Joe

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