Re: Setting up classical guitar fingerings

[Luca Fascione]

But wouldn't you finger that as <c-1 d-2 g-3>? (Didn't check the number,
I'm just meaning going infix vs postfix)

I can see that this idea of mine does have issues for fingering your way
around (which seems to me it's more of a fingering atop thing, like you
would have in a keyboard score)

L

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, 12:32 Valentin Petzel, <valentin@petzel.at> wrote:

> Hello Luca,
>
> changing the X-parent to the NoteHead would mean that we are aligning the
> Fingering horizontally wrt. the NoteHead instead of the whole NoteColumn.
> This
> would then mean that if for example due to some chord some note heads are
> on
> the other side of the Stem the alignment of something like <c d g>-1-2-3
> would
> change (disregarding that it wouldn’t even be clear what note head to use).
>
> Cheers,
> Valentin
>
> Am Montag, 21. Februar 2022, 09:19:30 CET schrieb Luca Fascione:
> > Hi Thomas,
> > thanks for your comment, this helps me refine my understanding of what's
> > going on.
> >
> > At the same time, while I do see that for other articulations (fermata,
> > appoggiato) this parenting scheme works very well,
> > I remain wondering whether for the style of layout of the fingering
> > indications that I am after, the appropriate thing to do could be to
> change
> > the parenting altogether.
> >
> > If we look at chord for a second, I see the <one-note-chord> thing as a
> > trick because to me even for proper chords the whole FingeringColumn idea
> > is also a weird concept: imagine you're in say C major, and you're laying
> > out fingering on the left of a chord like Fm <f aes c'>: I'm very unclear
> > whether the most readable solution is to have the fingerings stacked one
> > atop each other in a column (thereby more distant from f and c because of
> > the intervening flat on the aes) or if instead the fingerings on f and c
> > should be set tighter to their corresponding note heads and just the aes
> > fingering be displaced left horizontally, to allow for the flat. I would
> > like to experiment with various possibilities there, visually. I suppose
> > you could still displace horizontally inside the column, and then push it
> > all inwards closer to the chord even if the bboxes will overlap a bit...
> I
> > anticipate issues such as making sure the fingering for c' doesn't
> > interfer with the ascender on the flat glyph, also.
> >
> > Which brings me to a question: what consequence would it have to replace
> > the X-parent and Y-parent of the fingering to be the NoteHead instead?
> > (I guess there will be a need to deal with the accidentals at a minimum)
> > And also: how would I go at discovering these consequences without using
> > too much of you guys' time?
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Luca
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 1:22 AM Thomas Morley <thomasmorley65@gmail.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Am So., 20. Feb. 2022 um 22:41 Uhr schrieb Luca Fascione <
> > >
> > > l.fascione@gmail.com>:
> > > >  a) I'm looking for a way to get the fingerings where I want them
> > > >  without
> > > >
> > > > using one-note-chord tricks
> > >
> > > Well, for Fingerings not in chord, like b-1 or <b dis'>-2-1 X-parent
> > > is NoteColumn _not_ NoteHead, Y-parent  is VerticalAxisGroup.
> > > There is no direct way from NoteHead to Fingering and vice versa.
> > >
> > > Thus putting Fingering in-chord is unavoidable, imho, even for single
> > > notes.
> > > It is _not_ a trick, but a requirement.
> > >
> > > Furthermore, you say you set music for classical guitar, then chords
> > > will happen anyway, although not in your example.
> > > Please note, as soon as more than one in-chord Fingering is present a
> > > FingeringColumn is created. Which will make things even more
> > > complicated.
> > > See
> > > https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/6125
> > > https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/732
> > >
> > > Sorry to be of not more help,
> > >
> > >   Harm
>
>