Re: [Userops] Free softwar community hosting

[Jessica Tallon]

I wasn’t aware at quite how new the site is so it sounds like they would be a 
good fit. Do they have an IRC channel or place where we can talk to them? I 
suppose then the other question is Gogs a good fit, I suspect it’s probably our 
best option given the recent discussion we’ve had. It would certainly be a good 
idea to reach out to them and discuss being more involved and helping them get 
their site up and running. I think it being a community run site is important 
but from what you’ve said it sounds like they are.

Thanks,
Jessica Tallon.

> 7 mar 2015 kl. 23:49 skrev Aaron Wolf <address@hidden>:
> 
> Perhaps people don't understand that the NotABug project started something 
> like last month. It's really totally brand new. Believing that it has some 
> set policies or that it isn't a community project or complaining that it's 
> pages aren't fleshed out is only one-step removed from rejecting this very 
> list and discussion because we don't have all of our ideas in place yet.
> 
> I've been interacting with some of the NotABug folks and I can tell you this: 
> they are just in the same boat as us, trying to figure out what policies make 
> sense, just barely starting this. They were chatting about whether to make 
> their Gogs fork AGPL (since they care as much about software freedom as 
> anyone).
> 
> That project is in such early stages that it really is the case that if we 
> just joined in, we'd all end up being part of the founding community. I think 
> they'd be happy to agree to the strict free-projects requirements.
> 
> Again, I'm not actively involved, but I know that this is not a set thing. 
> It's literally just another handful of people having this same discussion and 
> being a few weeks (at most) ahead of us in taking action…
> 
> Cheers,
> Aaron
> On 03/07/2015 02:43 PM, Jessica Tallon wrote:
>> 
>>> 7 mar 2015 kl. 23:25 skrev Aaron Wolf <address@hidden>:
>>> 
>>> I want to note the existence of https://notabug.org/ which is already 
>>> expressly a free software, free culture project hosting with Gogs. Perhaps 
>>> we all just want to get involved with that…
>> 
>> Yeah I’ve looked at it. My worry is that because it’s less of a community 
>> effort and community funded and run it could vanish if whoever runs it 
>> decides to stop one day or for whatever reason can’t. I feel if it’s a 
>> community run project it has more of a chance of being resilient to that. 
>> There is also some question to how reliable that might be for a big project 
>> such as GNU Mediagoblin, for example their help page leaves a lot to be 
>> desired https://notabug.org/help
>> 
>>> I'm not sure about ruling out Kallithea, but I haven't tried it or made 
>>> comparisons really. As we're offering ticketing (still in progress though) 
>>> via Snowdrift.coop, we don't care about lack of ticketing and are happy to 
>>> encourage other projects to use the Snowdrift.coop system soon, but 
>>> availability of ticketing otherwise isn't necessarily a bad thing.
>> 
>> A integrated ticket system is incredibly useful. It’s certainly a deal 
>> breaker for my personal projects and also Inboxen. We rely heavily on a 
>> ticket tracker and having to setup our own or evaluate other options would 
>> be kind enough to put us off the idea. I think having an issue tracker 
>> really is necessary. Kallithea also doesn’t have SSH-based authentication 
>> with server side key management (source: 
>> http://docs.kallithea-scm.org/en/latest/#incoming-plans) which is a killer 
>> for not only me and Inboxen but also GNU Mediagoblin.
>> 
>>> I strongly suggest that requirements not be limited to GPL-compatible. 
>>> Instead, we should be only as limited as the FSF/OSI existing authorities 
>>> are. That means we should accept any project entirely using free/libre/open 
>>> terms, despite potential compatibility issues. See what we already worked 
>>> out for concrete requirements at Snowdrift.coop which could be the same for 
>>> this project: https://snowdrift.coop/p/snowdrift/w/en/project-requirements
>> 
>> That sounds fair, any Free software project.
>> 
>>> Anyway, combining these points, we could choose to just join the NotABug 
>>> community and encourage them to make free/libre/open requirements a 
>>> priority for their site (or more explicit at least). I'm not familiar 
>>> enough with Gogs or the situation behind its development to have an opinion 
>>> about that vs Phabricator vs GitLab CE or others. I do know that the 
>>> NotABug folks considered GitBucket and Kallithea before settling on Gogs…
>>> 
>> 
>> I certainly am no too familiar with any of these solutions in depth and 
>> would need to look into the solutions further. I’m dedicating this weekend 
>> to researching into this. I’m going to deploy the possible options and 
>> research into them and hopefully be able to provide the information I find 
>> with the group.
>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Aaron
>>> 
>>> On 03/07/2015 02:14 PM, Jessica Tallon wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> There have been discussions on IRC and also on a pump.io thread
>>>> (https://io.theperplexingpariah.co.uk/Tsyesika/note/oBSJrForR9mymrm2CqhCbg)
>>>> about starting a community run code hosting site with issue tracking
>>>> since the acquisition and subsequent demise of Gitorious. The following
>>>> projects so far are interested in being a part of this group:
>>>> 
>>>> - GNU Mediagoblin
>>>> - My personal projects (Pamrel, PyPump, etc.)
>>>> - Inboxen (possibly)
>>>> - snowdrift.coop
>>>> 
>>>> The site would only accept projects which are fully free software, those
>>>> being under GPL compatible licenses. It will be run by the community and
>>>> funded hopefully by the community. I am willing to donate:
>>>> 
>>>> - VPS (probably a bitfolk one)
>>>> - SSL certificate (not EV but a standard one from gandi)
>>>> - A domain
>>>> 
>>>> A linode server has also been offered by Simon Fondrie-Teitler
>>>> (simonft). The current candidates for software seem to be:
>>>> 
>>>> - Gitlab (Maybe not as they offer a proprietary version and have a CLA)
>>>> - Phabricator (Also has a CLA but no proprietary version)
>>>> - Gogs (written in Go, and pretty new)
>>>> 
>>>> The one which has more or less been ruled out is Kallithea as it doesn’t
>>>> have an issue tracker or SSH authentication which is unfortunate as that
>>>> would have been a good choice (Free software wise).
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jessica Tallon.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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