running speech-dispatcher-0.7.1 in system mode

[Steve Holmes]

Well, I've pretty much given up on getting speech dispatcher to run as
a system service here and be able to use gdm.  All the various
configurations and tests have continuously come up with gdm not
connecting to speechd where as soon as I change back to autospawn and
user sessions, it all works again.  Were it not for the gdm problems,
I had a central system service of speechd running fine with either
inet or unix sockets.  In fact, towards the end of my testing, I could
see how unix sockets could be more secure and defining access
priveleges and all but I even verified that the SPEECHD_ADDRESS values
was showing up inside the gdm run script but alas no speechd for gdm. 

So unless I see another compelling reason to go with a system service
with speech dispatcher in Arch, I think I'll just stick to user
sessions and autospawning.  at least that's working now.  I'm hoping
that using libao as an output method instead of alsa might prevent the
contention problems I ran into yesterday afternoon.

Thanks for you all's help; I tried but there must be something that
keeps gdm from talking to the speech server when it is not dynamically
spawned.

On Sat, Oct 09, 2010 at 06:49:27PM -0400, Trevor Saunders wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Sat, Oct 09, 2010 at 03:44:22PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > Orca doesn't really have anything to do with this - I don't think.
> 
> Yes, but its a way to find out something about what's going on in
> python-speechd.
> 
> > The tricky part here is gdm never really launches a shell so I will
> > have to probably insert an echo statement in the gdm startup script,
> > /usr/sbin/gdm and redirect the output to a file.  Hum, I think I'll
> > try that.
> 
> yes, not having a shell is the tricky bit, and what I thought of orca's
> log.
> 
> Trev
> 
> > 
> > On Sat, Oct 09, 2010 at 05:00:19PM -0400, Trevor Saunders wrote:
> > > HI,
> > > 
> > > hmm, that's very interesting, I gues the only the to do is read the orca
> > > debug log.  I't would be nice to conform that the enviroment varaible is
> > > infact set in the gdm session.
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Oct 09, 2010 at 01:43:07PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > Yes, I was doing that.  I had gdm working fine when speechd was
> > > > autospawning and in fact, I have it back to autospawning agin just to
> > > > be sure.  The problem is when I run speech-dispatcher as a system wide
> > > > service and configure inet_socket, I can't seem to get gdm to be able
> > > > to access speech dispatcher.  What would then happen is Orca would
> > > > come but it would change to gnome-speech and if I would go into the
> > > > server settings box and arrow down to what should be speech
> > > > dispatcher, there are no other choices listed.  When I went back to
> > > > autospawning and removed the environment variable for speechd's port,
> > > > then restarting gdm brought up Orca but this time, I could change the
> > > > speech server back to speech dispatcher.
> > > > 
> > > > Another thing; when I was attempting to use gdm with speech dispatcher
> > > > as a wide service, no log files were written to
> > > > /var/lib/gdm/.speech-dispatcher.  I don't think a .pid was written
> > > > either.
> > > 
> > > yes, you'd have to tell speech dispatcher with a command line option
> > > where you want logs by hand or in the config file if you don't want them
> > > to be in $HOME/.speech-dispatcher/log
> > > 
> > > Trev
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The only reason I started persuing all this was yesterday afternoon, I
> > > > ran into a situation where I couldn't play any media files due to alsa
> > > > device being busy or something.  I had to kill all instances of
> > > > speechd before I got it back.  I'm now experimenting with libao
> > > > instead; not sure if that will make much of a difference or not.
> > > > 
> > > > On Sat, Oct 09, 2010 at 04:28:06PM -0400, Trevor Saunders wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Have you sanity checked that the orca configuration for gdm is set up 
> > > > > to
> > > > > use speechd by default?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Trev
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sat, Oct 09, 2010 at 02:17:16AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > Not using inet_sockets? well, that's another area to try.  I was 
> > > > > > under
> > > > > > the impression that you had to use internet sockets instead.  that
> > > > > > could make things easier if I don't have to try and get this
> > > > > > environment variable passed to gdm.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > To answer your other question, no, I didn't insert that export line 
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > the gdm script itself.  The script runs /etc/profile which sets some
> > > > > > basic system wide environment variables and then runs all .sh files 
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > /et/profile.d.  I stuck another file in /etc/profile.d called
> > > > > > speechd.sh.  That setup works beautifully when I login as any user 
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > run spd-say for a test or do startx to run Orca.  It's just gdm does
> > > > > > not seem to be able to launch a connection to speechd.  I don't get
> > > > > > any errors but I don't think it's getting the communication method.
> > > > > > Not sure what else to look at.  When speechd was autospawning in
> > > > > > session mode, gdm ran it OK.  But then I ran into alsa device 
> > > > > > getting
> > > > > > locked out and that's why I'm going after this system-wide approach
> > > > > > again.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Sat, Oct 09, 2010 at 10:51:22AM +0200, Halim Sahin wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 09, 2010 at 12:47:43AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > > > I just tried from a cold boot and inserted the proper 
> > > > > > > > environment
> > > > > > > > variable into a profile that gets read by all programs that 
> > > > > > > > startup on
> > > > > > > > my Arch Linux system.  This gets inherited nicely by normal 
> > > > > > > > users at
> > > > > > > > login and again, startx works fine but gdm for some reason does 
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > inherit this variable when it runs.  I think gdm is the user 
> > > > > > > > but it
> > > > > > > > must run something else that does not inherit these environment
> > > > > > > > variables.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Have you tried exporting the speechd_address in your gdm start 
> > > > > > > skript?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Gdm under gentoo is not that version which can be used for 
> > > > > > > creating
> > > > > > > accessible login afaik.
> > > > > > > So I can't test it.
> > > > > > > BTW.: On my machine I use now unix_socket for sd.
> > > > > > > Sd  starts through an init-skript and works with sbl and orca :-) 
> > > > > > > :-)
> > > > > > > :-).
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > BR.
> > > > > > > Halim
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
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