Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt

[Philip Mötteli]

Am 04.02.2004 um 10:04 schrieb Philippe C.D. Robert:
> On Feb 4, 2004, at 1:30 AM, Philip Mötteli wrote:
> > > Most that I know who use Windows do it either because they have no 
> > > knowledge of the alternatives, no money for something "better" or 
> > > circumstances are just forcing them to use Windows.
> >
> > :-)   So, what did I say? Do they work with Windows or not?
> > But the context was GNUstep and Cocoa: People do not use GNUstep, 
> > because they have a predefined opinion. An opinion which is not based 
> > on facts. Such biased opinions are the subject of marketing. Who's 
> > making the marketing for GNUstep?
>
> It's the old discussion again, you forget or ignore one important 
> issue here, which is that since GNUstep is no "desktop environment" 
> you cannot just "see it work" like you can do with KDE or Mac OS X and 
> so on. There is no easy way of installing GNUstep and a whole bunch of 
> GNUstep apps so that they just work, interact, shine ..., so how can 
> one know if it works or not, how can you make convincing marketing, as 
> you say?

You underestimate marketing. A performant marketing can even sell a 
product, that is and will never exist. Just think about vapor-ware.


> Additionally, why would a Cocoa developer want to port a GUI app from 
> Mac OS X to GNUstep if at the end there is no environment in which the 
> app would be integrated?

Well, I feel a huge interest here in using GNUstep as a porting means.
The problem is, as I already mentionned right in my first posting of 
the thread you mentionned, that GS needs to complete the Windows port 
as much as possible. That's actually the only frequent complaint I see. 
And I do agree with that. I just don't agree with people complaining 
and not wanting to help with one line of code. And I don't think, that 
rewriting, debugging and maintaining a whole interface layer 
themselves, will cost their clients less, than completing gnustep-gui.

What YOU actually want is to recreate NeXTstep. With plenty of 
applications, a great develpment environment and an operating system of 
its own. But all that without going through the process of attracting 
developers, who would then write the programs. But no, I'm not gonna 
restart that thread again. I have to work sometimes.


Re
Phil