Re: [GNU/consensus] [SocialSwarm-D] Map of Projects / Sessions at 30C3

[hellekin]

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On 11/15/2013 07:29 PM, carlo von lynX wrote:
> 
> No, we don't need to make that distinction. At the last meeting 
> there was a clear majority who only wants to get something solid 
> off the ground and doesn't care for legacy patchwork.
> 
*** Then you need to distinguish GNU consensus from the rest of the
working group, because I do care about "the minorities", and although
I have a preference for GNUnet, I don't exclude "legacy patchwork".
The role of this project is not to make judgments over the qualities
of the various approaches.  I prefer leaving that to the developers
themselves.

> Since there are dozens of projects oriented on writing yet another 
> easy UI for PGP, there is no need to disturb this project with it.
> 
*** I understand.  So I propose this discussion goes on to the
Socialswarm mailing-list alone, and when we have something to
announce, we can use the GNU consensus.  Otherwise, it mixes up the
goals and means.

> 
> Blackmail? Just assessing the situation.
> 
*** I say it's blackmail for a government (agency) to force a company
into betraying their customers.

> A GNU Internet stack is barely enough. SMTP, the web, WebRTC,
> XMPP.. is not.
> 
> There must be at least one no-BS working group on earth.
> 
*** Let it be the Social Swarm then.  GNU consensus needs to include
the way from here to there.  Hopefully when GNUnet is ready, it will
be trivial to mass-switch by the billions to a sane system.  But more
likely, a lot of people will keep dancing in the ball room until the
ship wrecks.

So, people, please subscribe to the socialswarm mailing list, if
you're not there already, and let's keep this conversation there,
without any mentions of non-P2P solutions: end of the year is coming fast.

SocialSwarm mailing lists:       https://socialswarm.net/en/participate/

==
hk

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