Re: Call to stop contributing

[H. Nikolaus Schaller]

> Am 27.03.2021 um 07:58 schrieb Johannes Brakensiek <johannes@brakensiek.info>:
> 
> Gregory,
> 
> On 26 Mar 2021, at 22:36, Gregory Casamento wrote:
> 
>> I utterly fail to see the parallel between me asking for a CoC to be 
>> considered and you posting an open letter calling for the removal of RMS 
>> from all leadership positions and for us to stop contributing to this 
>> project.  Equating the two discussions is absolutely ludicrous.
> 
> I was linking to that letter, but I was not calling for the removal of RMS. I 
> was calling RMS and the FSF to set up a CoC that makes it clear in a way 
> which can not be misunderstood that they do in no way tolerate or even accept 
> abusive behaviour against children and women.

I can't judge on this but it is not clear what it has to do with GNUstep and 
this list. And how "Call to stop contributing" could be a synonym of "We should 
adopt this as a COC...".

"Call to stop contributing" looks like bullying on first glance.

> 
> If they do not one will have to conclude they implicitly tolerate and accept 
> such behaviour and such opinions. So this is entirely about a CoC.

> 
> Thank you for your support, Niels.
> 
> I’m again calling anyone who has got a mother or a sister, a wife or a 
> daughter to stop contributing to this project until RMS and the FSF have set 
> up a corresponding CoC or otherwise remove him- or herself from the project 
> and to then set free the valuable source code and software of this project.

That is a too missionary and lobbying or activist view for me, even if they 
have failed significantly. Freedom includes for me not to be missionarised to 
help to throw the first stone. I find that type of freedom for example here 
unless there are such political discussions.

And my view on "CoC" in general: it is just a piece of paper (or set of bits). 
People follow rules or they don't. Others are masters of rule breaking. Some 
even hide behind such rule sets and interpret them in a way that they seem to 
prove good what common sense thinks is misbehaviour.

Codifying morale is a difficult topic and has been tried for more than 2000 
years. With limited success or we would live in paradise and peace forever.

It is something constitutions and society and law systems (and religions) are 
trying to solve every day. Not projects like ours. We can not codify morale but 
only algorithms in Obj-C.

So I agree that your goals and intentions are very valid and that this is an 
important discussion. But not here. Bring these issues to court or law makers. 
We can only improve GNUstep but not society. Of course it is part of society 
but a so small one that e.g. forking from FSF doesn't have a significant effect.

Happy coding,
Nikolaus